Paladin D Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 - Benedict IX (1032 AD) was 12-year old a Pope? I don't get it. Why??? - Why are 38 antipopes? Doesn't the Holy Spirit work through the college of Cardinals to elect a successor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 21 2004, 07:47 PM'] - Benedict IX (1032 AD) was 12-year old a Pope? I don't get it. Why??? - Why are 38 antipopes? Doesn't the Holy Spirit work through the college of Cardinals to elect a successor? [/quote] He was 20. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm[/url] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm[/url] [b]Antipope[/b] A false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected. At various times in the history of the Church illegal pretenders to the Papal Chair have arisen, and frequently exercised pontifical functions in defiance of the true occupant. Hergenröther enumerates thirty in the following order: Hippolytus (?), III century Novatian, 251 Felix II, 355-365 Ursicinus, 366-367 Eulalius, 418-419 Laurentius, 498-501 Constantine II, 767 Philip, VIII century Anastasius, 855 Leo VIII, 956-963 Boniface VII, 974 John XVI, X century Gregory, 1012 Sylvester III, 1044 Benedict X, 1058 Honorius II, 1061-72 Guibert or Clement III, 1080-1100 Theodoric, 1100 Aleric, 1102 Maginulf, 1105 Burdin (Gregory VIII), 1118 Anacletus II, 1130-38 Victor IV, 1159-64 Pascal III, 1164-68 Calixtus III, 1168-77 Innocent III, 1178-80 Nicholas V, 1328-30 Robert of Geneva (Clement VII), 20 September, 1378 to 16 September, 1394 Amadeus of Savoy (Felix V), November, 1439 to April, 1449 [Note: See also Alexander III, Dioscorus (d. 530), and John XXIII (1370-1419)] God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 But isn't 20 still very young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Joan of Arc wasn't all that old either. God can do great things through young people too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 This being a Catholic forum, I'm surprised you didn't use Mary as an example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jul 22 2004, 05:53 AM'] This being a Catholic forum, I'm surprised you didn't use Mary as an example... [/quote] ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Mary is a wonderful example. Many people believe (and the Church has not said otherwise) that Mary was a consecrated Temple Virgin. There were many at that time who the temple could not support, and so these girls were betrothed and married to older men who had shown themselves to be faithful and holy, under the assumption that the vow to chastity would be upheld. If this is true (which I think makes perfect sense, and leads to the conclusion that Mary was ever-virgin) then it is very possible that Mary was only 14-16 at the time of the Annunciation and would place her at a little younger that 50 when Christ was crucified. Just think about that for a second. Mary, Mother of the Church, God-bearer and Full of Grace, was [i]14[/i] when she said "yes" to God. To me, that is more astonishing than a Pope who was appointed at the age of 20, when the average life expectancy wasn't far above 45. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 ah... the young thing.... ya.... what Jeff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 Got the Guinness World Records 2004 edition book for Christmas, and they list Pope Benedict IX as [b]11 years old[/b]. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 27 2004, 07:30 PM'] Got the Guinness World Records 2004 edition book for Christmas, and they list Pope Benedict IX as [b]11 years old[/b]. Heh. [/quote] The exact date of Benedict IX's birth is unknown, and so the most that can be said with any certainty is that he was the youngest Pope. The Catholic Encyclopedia says that he was around 20 years of age when he was made Pope. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm"]Catholic Encyclopedia: Pope Benedict IX[/url] God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 As for the anti-popes at times some claimed the papacy, though having only been elected by a group of cardinals. One group of french cardinals as I recall elected a Pope. Some just claimed the papacy such as Novation because they didn't agree with a declaration of the Popes. But there is little doudt throughout history who was truly the Pope when there were anti-popes. I can be more specific if you like but it has been a while since I checked in to it. In truth the anti-popes confirm the papacy. Especially Novation and Hippolatus (3rd century) who claimed the title at a time when the Church was still persecuted and most definitely not politically correct. Think about it. Who would claim a throne that was food for the lions if that throne did not have great significance in the worldwide Church. That there are few anti-bishops in other parts of the Church also is a strong indication that Rome was special in it's authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 27 2004, 09:30 PM'] Got the Guinness World Records 2004 edition book for Christmas, and they list Pope Benedict IX as [b]11 years old[/b]. Heh. [/quote] i got the 2005 edition. we're cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Did any Protestants of his time complain or ridicule him for being so young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='rachael' date='Dec 28 2004, 03:12 AM'] i got the 2005 edition. we're cool. [/quote] Didn't know they already had a 2005 out, it says on Amazon.com that the paperback will be released in April 26, 2005. Do you own the hardcover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 27 2004, 10:51 PM'] The exact date of Benedict IX's birth is unknown, and so the most that can be said with any certainty is that he was the youngest Pope. The Catholic Encyclopedia says that he was around 20 years of age when he was made Pope. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm"]Catholic Encyclopedia: Pope Benedict IX[/url] God bless, Todd [/quote] I know, just was posting how the Guinness World Records claimed him to be 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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