BurkeFan Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Today at Mass, God was referred to as being Our Father and Our Mother. This struck me as odd... I've heard it once before, but, thought of something I hadn't before hand. Christ gave us His mother to be our mother. If God was already "Our Mother", then, Jesus would have wasted his time, right? Why would we need a second mother? Why would Christ waste words when He was upon the cross? Ach... it bothers me that we try to make God feminine. I don't want to replace Our Lady as mommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 argh that's quite annoying. kinda like how my priest was tellin us today that gender roles should be completely dissolved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 ARGH! I hate the the gender modifications in religious circles... Conception Seminary did it ("you can't say 'brothers', you have to say 'brothers and sisters'...even if the Breviary only says 'brothers'")...drove me nuts... I hate political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 i second on that Al! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Jul 18 2004, 10:45 PM'] I hate political correctness. [/quote] Wurd. In RCIA one year.... the Sister in charge brought a picture for us to see. It was a picture of someone's back with a man's hand on one shoulder and a woman's hand on the other. She explained that God could be our Father and our Mother. I don't know... but, it didn't sit well with me. I've heard this serval times now and I've always wanted to check out what the Church teaches or says about it. Just never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaxVobis Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Aww a sweet remembrance of Conception. :S (Agreed Micah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I always thought trying to make God into a "shemale" persona was kind of silly. Jesus called God "Abba" which means "father." I never felt that God had to be associated as being a mother, because we have a mother in Mary. If someone's taking an issue with God being "father" and feel the need for a mother role in their spiritual life, they need to heighten their Marian devotion. It always irritated me when at a local campus mass, some of the more liberal-minded college students would say "It is right to give God thanks and praise" because they didn't like the use of the word "him." *rolls eyes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 (edited) I think the original idea was to emphasize the God contains what we would consider both masculine and feminine traits [ God of power and might, God of tenderness and mercy] , but that in no way should lead to the conclusion God is our father and mother, since he identifies himself as a Father. Edited July 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 God = Father Mary = Mother simple enough for me...why can't a liberal priest see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='Christina' date='Jul 19 2004, 01:58 AM'] In RCIA one year.... the Sister in charge brought a picture for us to see. It was a picture of someone's back with a man's hand on one shoulder and a woman's hand on the other. She explained that God could be our Father and our Mother. I don't know... but, it didn't sit well with me. I've heard this serval times now and I've always wanted to check out what the Church teaches or says about it. Just never have. [/quote] The picture was probably Rembrandt's "The Return of the Prodigal Son." In the picture, the only hands that are clear (i.e. painted with detail) are the hands of the father on the shoulders of the prodigal son. The left hand is masculine, while the right hand is feminine. There is a lot of symbolism in the painting. Henri Nouwen wrote a book on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 19 2004, 09:07 AM'] I think the original idea was to emphasize the God contains what we would consider both masculine and feminine traits [ God of power and might, God of tenderness and mercy] , but that in no way should lead to the conclusion God is our father and mother, since he identifies himself as a Father. [/quote] And since He gave us a mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Polar Bear, I read the book recently....... and I really admire that painting. But when he got to the place about telling the Father/Mother aspect...... I was really uncomfortable. Ok God has masculine and feminine traits.... But He is Father and Mother???? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daugher-of-Mary Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 ARGH! Please read the CCC on this subject. I don't have mine on hand, but the Church has given us very thorough and beautiful instruction on this matter. Basically, God is neither gender, HOWEVER Jesus Himself told us to call God FATHER (Abba, literally "daddy") and that is what we are to do. If you look in the CCC, you'll also find the "new Adam" (Christ) and "new Eve" (Mary) description which is amazing! *sigh* Holy Mother Church does have her reasons (and no, her reason is not to "suppress" anyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Jul 19 2004, 12:29 AM'] It always irritated me when at a local campus mass, some of the more liberal-minded college students would say "It is right to give God thanks and praise" because they didn't like the use of the word "him." *rolls eyes* [/quote] That's nothing.....what about when the priests do that? One time I was very tempted to ask why he was afraid of the "F-word" (the "F-word" being "Father"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Inclusive language is so nancy. Our former liberal priest would say for the Creed, "for US and for our salvation," instead of, "for us MEN and our salvation." He also insisted on everyone serving in the sanctuary. Four EXTRAORDINARY ministers, for a church with one aisle. The sheer insanity of it all is enough to drive someone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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