Cure of Ars Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 This first one is a four star. It has been extreamly helpful to me when defending th Deuterocanonicals and St. Athanasius, Origen, and St. Jerome comes up. Did Some Church Fathers Reject the Deuterocanonicals as Scripture? [url="http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html"]http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html[/url] Deuterocanonical Books [url="http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/deutero.htm"]http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/deutero.htm[/url] Deuterocanonical Books: In the writings of the Early Church [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/deuterocanonical_books2.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/deutero...ical_books2.htm[/url] Canon of The Old Testament [url="http://media.isnet.org/off/Xtian/etc/canonold.html"]http://media.isnet.org/off/Xtian/etc/canonold.html[/url] Refuting an Attack on the Deuterocanonicals A Response to 11 ‘reasons’ that the Deuterocanonicals Should be Thrown Out of the Bible [url="http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/cloud.html"]http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/cloud.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Curs !! these sites are great I have them all saved to my favs lol i've had them for sooooo long now. Catholicapologetics.net's section on the King James Version of 1611 is always helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 18, 2004 Author Share Posted July 18, 2004 [quote name='StColette' date='Jul 18 2004, 01:42 PM'] Curs !! these sites are great I have them all saved to my favs lol i've had them for sooooo long now. Catholicapologetics.net's section on the King James Version of 1611 is always helpful [/quote] Ya, I booked marked those sites about a year ago when I was talking with some about the Deuterocanonical books. I looked to see if they were in the refeerence section and they were not. So I posted them. Why is the KJV of 1611 helful? Because it included the Deuterocanonicals? Does it also have the word "alone" added to it? Phatcatholic, is there a way to add all the address to a post so that I can make a search to see if you already have it when I find a site. I think it would probably save time for both of us. In fact, I can probably do this for you if you want and if you think its a good idea. I ruptured my achilles tendon Friday night. I have not had surgery yet because of the weekend. It looks like I am going to have a lot of time on my hands. So if you got a job for me I would be glad to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 18, 2004 Author Share Posted July 18, 2004 Canon Issues: Can Protestants tell us what the Bible is? [url="http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/white/canon.htm"]http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/white/canon.htm[/url] Oral Tradition in the New Testament [url="http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola8.htm"]http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola8.htm[/url] Did the Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura? [url="http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola11.htm"]http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola11.htm[/url] When Evangelicals Treat Catholic Tradition Like Revelation [url="http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola9.htm"]http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola9.htm[/url] The Rule of Faith in Patristic Thought [url="http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/authority/authority_6.htm"]http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/authority/authority_6.htm[/url] The Crisis of Authority in the Reformation [url="http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/authority/authority_4.htm"]http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/authority/authority_4.htm[/url] In fact all the articles from the www.chnetwork.org/journals are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hey, the CHN people are only about an hour away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='Cure of Ars' date='Jul 18 2004, 02:10 PM'] Why is the KJV of 1611 helful? Because it included the Deuterocanonicals? Does it also have the word "alone" added to it? . [/quote] the KJV 1611 articles on there are always helpful in a debate, especially when people claim that the KJV is the only true Bible and has not changed, but clearly they can see by the information given, that the KJV did change years after the first ones were printed. The Deuterocanonicals were also taught along with the rest of the books in 1611 which helps to serve as a purpose for keeping them there, and not tampering with them just because they uphold some of the Catholic beliefs that Protestants do not agree with. There is one article on there that names other Bible translations that were before the KJV that up held the Deuteroncanonicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Jul 18 2004, 04:06 PM'] Hey, the CHN people are only about an hour away from me. [/quote] Are you able to drop in and watch their tv program live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='StColette' date='Jul 18 2004, 07:34 PM'] the KJV 1611 articles on there are always helpful in a debate, especially when people claim that the KJV is the only true Bible and has not changed, but clearly they can see by the information given, that the KJV did change years after the first ones were printed. The Deuterocanonicals were also taught along with the rest of the books in 1611 which helps to serve as a purpose for keeping them there, and not tampering with them just because they uphold some of the Catholic beliefs that Protestants do not agree with. There is one article on there that names other Bible translations that were before the KJV that up held the Deuteroncanonicals. [/quote] Ya, there is not much rational support for KJV only. I always like to aske them, Who is King James and by what authority did he translate the Bible by to make it the only translation. It me would be as just as silly to have a Bush or Clinton Bible translation. Your link would also be helpful to Mormons who have some of the known errors of the KJV in their book of Mormon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 cure, thanks for the links. i will add them when i get the chance. if you don't mind, remind me in a couple days if i haven't done it yet. oh, and regarding those KJV articles, its very powerful when you show "KJV-Only"-ists that their favorite bible was covered w/ graven images! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 yep Phatcatholic, even my great grandmothers KJV Bible that I own has images all in it and on the cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='Cure of Ars' date='Jul 18 2004, 11:38 PM'] Are you able to drop in and watch their tv program live? [/quote] I dunno... I just discovered I was near there when I clicked the link! I might have to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 23, 2004 Author Share Posted July 23, 2004 Bump I also found this today, very good; Freedom to Love by Frank Sheed [url="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/freelove.html"]http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/freelove.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted July 23, 2004 Author Share Posted July 23, 2004 (edited) Check this out. Apologetics from a saint. The Violation of the Holy Scriptures made by the Reformers: By cutting off some of its parts By St. Francis de Sales [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_12.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_12.htm[/url] StColette you did not tell me about all this. This is awsome stuff. A QUICK LOOK AT THE WORD "APOCRYPHA" [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/a_quick_look_at_the_word_.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/a_quick...t_the_word_.htm[/url] ST PAUL REFERRED TO THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AS "APOCRYPHA" [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/a_quick_look_at_the_word_2.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/a_quick..._the_word_2.htm[/url] The Deuterocanonical books [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_10.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_10.htm[/url] The Acceptance of The LXX and the "Apocrypha" books in First Century Judea. [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_159.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_159.htm[/url] Martin Luther's Translation included the books called the "Apocrypha" [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/martin_luthers__apocrypha.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/martin_...__apocrypha.htm[/url] The Gallery of The "Apocrypha" books In The Very Early Protestant English Translations of the Bible [url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/gallery_of_the_apocrypha.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/gallery...e_apocrypha.htm[/url] Edited July 23, 2004 by Cure of Ars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 oooh these are awesome !! * is saving them to favs * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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