MorphRC Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 (edited) [b]New Jerome Biblical Commentary, 2nd Edition, [i]Published 1990, Reprint: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] Authors & Editors: [i]Raymond E. Brown, S.S., Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J. & Roland E. Murphy, O'CARM.[/i] Nihil Obstat & Impartiur[/b] [b]98[/b] [b]53-56.[/b] These verses expand the original saying (v51b) about the bread as Jesus' flesh with the expression "flesh and blood." Each verse follows the same pattern of referring first to eating the flesh and drinking the blood. The asseration that they are "real" ([i]alethes[/i]) food and drink recalls v35. The other sayings follow the claim that it is neccessary to "eat his flesh and drink his blood" with a reference to salvation: (a) have life in you (v53); (b) "have eternal life" [and "I will raise him up on the last day"] (v54); © "remain in me and I in him" (v56). In the light of the strong negative warning of v54 and the immanence formula "remain in me" in v56 (cf. 15:4-5), one might see here a saying directed towrd a later crisis in the community. John 15 speaks about the neccessity for disciples to remain attached to Jesus, the vine (also a eucharist symbol; cf. Mark 14:25). This warning may be directed toward Christians who would seperate from the Johannine community, whether as a result of external persecution or as a result of the later split within the community that is evidenced in the Johannine Epistles.[b][1][2][/b] [b]99 Next...[/b] Edited July 18, 2004 by MorphRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 18, 2004 Author Share Posted July 18, 2004 [b]99[/b] The parallel sayings about flesh and blood appear to represent the eucharistic formula used in the Johannine community. Unlike the formulas in the Synoptics and Paul, the body of Christ is referred to with the word [i]sarx[/i], "flesh," not [i]soma[/i], "body". "Flesh" also appears in the formulas of Ignatius of Antioch ([i]Rom.[/i] 7:3; [i]Phil.[/i]4:1;, [i]Smyrn.[/i] 7:1). The Johannine formula probably also contained a "for, on behalf of" clause, which may be represented in the "for the life of the world" of 6:51b.[b][1][3][/b] [b]100:[/b] [i][b]57-59[/b][/i] [b]Next...[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 18, 2004 Author Share Posted July 18, 2004 (edited) [b]100[/b] [b]57.[/b] The unusual expression, "the living Father," may have been formed on analogy with "the living bread" of v51. The reader knows that the Father sent the Son to give life (3:16-17), and that the life which the Son has is the Father's own life given to the Son (5:26). Verse 57 extends that type of relationship between Father and Son to the believer who partakes of the Eucharist. This verse, too, uses a pattern of relationships between Father-Son and believer that belongs in the context of the farewell discourses (cf. 14:20-21;17:21a). Immanence formulas, developed on the basis of Johannine christology, express the relationship between the believer and Jesus established in the eucharist.[b][4][/b] [b]58.[/b] [i]the one who eats the bread will live forever:[/i] These words conclude the discourse and bind it to the larger context by drawing a sharp contrast between the community that possesses the "bread from heaven" and its Jewish opponents, whose ancestors had the manna and died (vv49-50).[b][5][/b] [b]59.[/b] This brief note on the place of teaching, the Capernaum synagogue, may have been derived from the tradition that Jesus had taught there (e.g., Luke 4:31; 7:5).[1][b][6][/b] [b]--------------------------------------------------------------------------[/b] [b]Source:[/b] [b][1][/b]New Jerome Biblical Commentary, 2nd Edition, [i]Published 1990, Reprint: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] Authors & Editors: [i]Raymond E. Brown, S.S., Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J. & Roland E. Murphy, O'CARM.[/i] [b] Nihil Obstat & Impartiur [/b] [b][2][/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. [i]Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] - Page 962, John (6:36-57), [b][61:93-100][/b], [b]98[/b]. [b][3][/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. [i]Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] - Page 962, John (6:36-57), [b][61:93-100][/b], [b]99[/b]. [b][4][/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. [i]Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] - Page 962-663, John (6:36-57) - (6:58-7:3), [b][61:93-100] - [61:101-105][/b], [b]100[/b], [b]57[/b]. [b][5][/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. [i]Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] - Page 963, John (6:58-7:3), [b][61:101-105][/b], [b]100[/b], [b]58[/b]. [b][6][/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. [i]Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000.[/i] - Page 963, John (6:58-7:3), [b][61:101-105][/b], [b]100[/b], [b]59[/b]. Edited July 18, 2004 by MorphRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 good stuff.............i need to get my hands on that commentary..........thanks morph (mr. "catholic-apologist-in-disguise") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 i believe that against your wishes PhatMass regrets to inform you that we cannot take the "RC" out of your name changing you to merely "Bushido_Boy" because we beleive you will eventually drop all that non-Catholic foolishness and return to the One True Church. Therefore, i believe I speak for PhatMass when I say your signature will never be listened to, MorphRC. Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 yup, sorry bro, ur "MorphRC" rather you like it or not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 is that Jerome Bible Commentary online anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 [url="http://biblia.com/jesusbible/"]Jerome Bible Commentary[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MorphRC Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 19 2004, 02:50 PM'] good stuff.............i need to get my hands on that commentary..........thanks morph (mr. "catholic-apologist-in-disguise") [/quote] yw bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 19 2004, 02:53 PM'] i believe that against your wishes PhatMass regrets to inform you that we cannot take the "RC" out of your name changing you to merely "Bushido_Boy" because we beleive you will eventually drop all that non-Catholic foolishness and return to the One True Church. Therefore, i believe I speak for PhatMass when I say your signature will never be listened to, MorphRC. Pax [/quote] I didnt ask for an opinion, I want it changed please. I do not feel comfortable with it, and I also feel YOU are forcing a faith on me I dont and cant be apart of, so please change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 19 2004, 02:59 PM'] yup, sorry bro, ur "MorphRC" rather you like it or not!! [/quote] ^^ Above comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 30 2004, 07:32 AM'] I didnt ask for an opinion, I want it changed please. I do not feel comfortable with it, and I also feel YOU are forcing a faith on me I dont and cant be apart of, so please change it. [/quote] no one is forcing anything upon you. --you chose the name --names can't be changed your only option is to abandon your current name and make a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 31, 2004 Author Share Posted July 31, 2004 Dust made 8 name changes during my 2wk ban, and no one can do it now???????? And names can be changed, Ive seen them, and people have bragged about them. I DONT WANT THIS ANYMORE!! How many times do I have to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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