MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Still no easy choice By Emma-Kate Symons July 14, 2004 [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10129938%5E28737,00.html"]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...5E28737,00.html[/url] AUSTRALIAN feminists are, increasingly, embracing the fetus. "A woman's right to choose" was once the holy grail of second-wave feminism. Now the untouchable is being questioned, teased out and in the spirit of postmodernism, deconstructed on the airwaves and in the mainstream press. Leading second-wave feminists who fought for abortion rights in the 1970s, younger feminists, and women who call themselves "pro-life feminists" are opening up a debate many pro-choice women hoped and believed was closed. "The extreme conservatism that is the current flavour of federal politics makes it a very dangerous policy issue for women to be talking about publicly," says Women's Electoral Lobby spokeswoman and UNSW academic Sarah Maddison.... [b]FULL TEXT[/b] [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10129938%5E28737,00.html"]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...5E28737,00.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Id love to know how you are a 'Pro-Life Feminist' since one of the major points of the feminist movement was to allow women to kill babies :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Feminists call for abortion debate By Emma-Kate Symons, Social affairs writer July 12, 2004 [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10111304%255E2702,00.html"]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E2702,00.html[/url] TWO leading feminists have urged a debate about late-term abortions, citing scientific advances in keeping premature babies alive under the legal limit for terminations. Founding members of the Women's Electoral Lobby, Eva Cox and Wendy McCarthy, said there should be public discussion about abortions up to 20 weeks of pregnancy [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10111304%255E2702,00.html"]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E2702,00.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 16 2004, 05:13 PM'] Id love to know how you are a 'Pro-Life Feminist' since one of the major points of the feminist movement was to allow women to kill babies :S [/quote] I love the contradiction of women killing their own unborn daughters in the name of rights for women...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 you two bring up very good points, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [url="http://www.feministsforlife.org"]Visit Feminists for Life[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Actually, abortion is anti-feminist. It's one of the most degrading things a woman can do to her body. I think it's absurd (and sickening) that it's looked upon as a "right" and a "freedom" in this country and around the world. The sad fact is that many women get abortions because they felt like they had no other choice. They're faced with boyfriends or husbands who threaten to leave them if they don't have an abortion, parents who say they'll disown them if they don't kill their own baby, or they'll feel they "have" to have an abortion to stay in school or keep a job. This is plain misogynism. Women and children deserve so much more than this. The early femenists (e.g., Susan B. Anthony, etc.) knew this, and that's why they were pro-life. God bless, Jen P.S. Of course, the biggest reason abortion is wrong is because it's murder -- of the child, of course, and emotionally and spiritually, of the mother as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jul 17 2004, 01:46 AM'] I love the contradiction of women killing their own unborn daughters in the name of rights for women...... [/quote] I agree. Some societies, women have to ask the husband to have a baby, im not talking about saying 'Hubby can we have a kid', but a heavy price comes with it, pretty much slave-labour in some parts of Africa. And these women throw it away like its a 'burden'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Jul 17 2004, 02:22 AM'] Actually, abortion is anti-feminist. It's one of the most degrading things a woman can do to her body. I think it's absurd (and sickening) that it's looked upon as a "right" and a "freedom" in this country and around the world. The sad fact is that many women get abortions because they felt like they had no other choice. They're faced with boyfriends or husbands who threaten to leave them if they don't have an abortion, parents who say they'll disown them if they don't kill their own baby, or they'll feel they "have" to have an abortion to stay in school or keep a job. This is plain misogynism. Women and children deserve so much more than this. The early femenists (e.g., Susan B. Anthony, etc.) knew this, and that's why they were pro-life. God bless, Jen P.S. Of course, the biggest reason abortion is wrong is because it's murder -- of the child, of course, and emotionally and spiritually, of the mother as well. [/quote] True. The main reasons was 'male-oppression' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 actually, the original feminists were vehemently opposed to abortion. can anybody say Susan B. Anthony? [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=111"]How Men Convinced Women to be Pro-Abortion[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote]Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who in 1848 organized the first women'srights convention in Seneca Falls, N.Y., classified abortion as a form of infanticide: "When you consider that women have been treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."[/quote] great article, al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 17 2004, 02:58 AM'] actually, the original feminists were vehemently opposed to abortion. can anybody say Susan B. Anthony? [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=111"]How Men Convinced Women to be Pro-Abortion[/url] [/quote] Wow. Maybe they should learn their history.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 16 2004, 01:25 PM'] True. The main reasons was 'male-oppression' [/quote] Hi Morph, That's not to say that men are [i]wholly[/i] responsible for abortion. Women, as thinking human beings with a will, can choose right from wrong. If they choose abortion, they choose something that is intrinsically sinful. The thing is, though, that few women probably realize how anti-women abortion really is. (I don't doubt for a second that men have suffered from abortion, too.) No one here, if they're pro-life, would argue that abortion is pro-women. If it's not pro-women, then it follows that abortion is anti-women. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Ok. I know many abortions are done because they are scared they will get dumped or divorced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 People I've known who've done it often cite the lack of an adequate support system, and feeling as though they'll be raising a child totally alone. Another reason I've heard, closely related to the first, is that the mother feels she can't provide an adequate lifestyle for the child. (Never mind that this means depriving the child of life altogether). Also, having a child would mean giving up certain luxuries ... free time, certain career advancements, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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