The Thread That Turned Into Dust's Vent Thread

[qfnol31]

Here is my last post for now on what I've found:

[quote name='"Catechism of the Catholic Church"']2120 Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God. Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us.52 [/quote]

[quote name='"THE EUCHARIST: SOURCE AND SUMMIT OF THE LIFE AND MISSION OF THE CHURCH"']44. Ancient sources indicate that communion was not taken but received, an act symbolizing the Sacrament’s meaning, that is, a Gift received with adoration. In the Latin rite, where provision is made for communion under two species, Catholic teaching is to be followed.[169] In the rites of the Eastern Churches the tradition established in the canons is to be observed.[170]

True devotion is called for in approaching the altar to receive Holy Communion. St. Francis burned “with love in every fibre of his being towards the Sacrament of the Body of the Lord and was overcome with inexpressible wonder at such a benevolent outpouring and unbounded charity. He received communion often and so devoutly as to render others devout.”[171] Cabasilas offers the reflection that “when we receive the flesh and blood attached to Christ’s human nature, we receive the spirit of God: the body of God no less than that of man, the blood and soul of God, the mind and will of God, no less than those of man.”[172] The reality of the Body of Christ is his person and life, a mystery and salvific truth to embrace, as St. Thomas Aquinas states, with faith and reason.[/quote]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20040528_lineamenta-xi-assembly_en.html"]Source[/url]

[quote]Can.  898 The Christian faithful are to hold the Most Holy Eucharist in highest honor, taking an active part in the celebration of the most august sacrifice, receiving this sacrament most devoutly and frequently, and worshiping it with the highest adoration. In explaining the doctrine about this sacrament, pastors of souls are to teach the faithful diligently about this obligation.[/quote]

And that's all I could find for now.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='fmjag06' date='Jul 16 2004, 12:04 AM']Hello everyone. I was present at this event and after reading this thread I have a few comments.
First, when the announcement was made for the EMC to go back up to consume the extra hosts after Mass (it wasnt directly said, but most people knew exactly what was happening) I thought that this was odd. Never before have I ever heard of the EMC's to consume remaining concecrated hosts.[/quote]
This isn't necessarily an abuse. It has, and can happen under liturgical norms.

[quote name='fmjag06' date='Jul 16 2004, 12:04 AM']Dust, and any others present, does the clapping to the songs during the Mass constitute a violation of any kind? I noticed that the priest joined in this, but unfortunately we cannot say that priests always act accordingly.[/quote]

Actually, no it doesn't. I don't care for it personally, but it's not really against norms. It seems to happen quite often now...

Now, if it was pre-recorded music you listened to (I've had this happen before), then that was an abuse.

[dUSt]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 16 2004, 12:21 AM'] This isn't necessarily an abuse. It has, and can happen under liturgical norms. [/quote]
I'm not too sure about this... The reference Cmom gave above seemed to be saying otherwise. Are there any priests in the house? haha

[qfnol31]

Okay, sorry, I know that EMHCs are allowed to consume the rest of the Precious Blood. If I remember correctly, the Vatican said that they didn't even have to ask for this permission. I'm still looking to see if this carries over to the Body.

Edited July 16, 2004 by qfnol31

[qfnol31]

[quote]The need for greater authenticity relates to color, taste, and thickness rather than to shape. Out of reverence for the sacrament the eucharistic bread should be baked with great care, so that the breaking can be dignified and the eating not offensive to the sensibilities of the people. Bread that tastes of uncooked flour or that becomes quickly so hard as to be inedible is not to be used As befits the sacrament, the breaking of the consecrated bread, the taking of the consecrated bread and wine in communion, and the consuming of leftover hosts after communion should be done with reverence.[26][/quote]

This says nothing of Priests...

[qfnol31]

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[Catholic_4_Life]

[quote name='pionono' date='Jul 15 2004, 12:20 PM'] Suggested reading list on their webpage (don't be distracted by the Legionaire at the beginning. Page down and look at the names. Let me know if they are not familiar):
[url="http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm"]http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm[/url]

Here are some of the sites they link to:
www.comfortqueen.com
www.findthedivine.com


Here is a perfect little snapshot of the kind of nun that belongs to this community:
[url="http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/"]http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/[/url] [/quote]
I'm practically next door to this place, and I can't get their website open! I'll try again soon. I know a lot of sisters from this place...it concerns me that people don't see them as "valid" religious.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 16 2004, 02:21 AM'] This isn't necessarily an abuse. It has, and can happen under liturgical norms.



Actually, no it doesn't. I don't care for it personally, but it's not really against norms. It seems to happen quite often now...

Now, if it was pre-recorded music you listened to (I've had this happen before), then that was an abuse. [/quote]
Please cite a reference for consuming hosts other than the situation I posted. I am going to stick with the Director of Worship.

Surely there was at least one Church in Houston where hosts could be taken.

[qfnol31]

I'm looking through the stuff I have and resources online.

I was taught this by a priest while we were on retreat (he's a Franciscan of the Renewal). We had extra hosts and so he could not consume it all so one of the other friars, who was an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion that day, helped consume what was left because we had no Tabernacle.

I don't know where this all went on at, but I know that transporting the Blessed Sacrament can be very difficult.

[cmotherofpirl]

Whey couldn't you just put them in a tabernacle?

[qfnol31]

We didn't have one nearby actually. We were at a Protestant retreat center in the middle of nowhere. It's a really pretty spot.

Oh, and this happened at school where we got locked out of the Tabernacle.


Now, an abuse I'm curious about is were all these "Extraordinary" Ministers of Holy Communion needed?

Edited July 16, 2004 by qfnol31

[Catholic_4_Life]

[quote name='pionono' date='Jul 15 2004, 12:20 PM'] Suggested reading list on their webpage (don't be distracted by the Legionaire at the beginning. Page down and look at the names. Let me know if they are not familiar):
[url="http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm"]http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm[/url]

Here are some of the sites they link to:
www.comfortqueen.com
www.findthedivine.com


Here is a perfect little snapshot of the kind of nun that belongs to this community:
[url="http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/"]http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/[/url] [/quote]
I agree with Lil Red...I don't see what's wrong here...educate me, please.

There is also a Monestary nearby, St. Meinrad. Does anyone ever buy anything from [url="http://www.abbypress.com"]Abby Press[/url]? They are located at the monestary.