The Thread That Turned Into Dust's Vent Thread

[littleflower+JMJ]

ouch i hate seeing stuff like this happen.

why they were endorsing somone like that really irks me!

[qfnol31]

I wish Bishop Gallante were still here!

[dUSt]

qfnol

I don't think this applies to the action that happened. The youth that were up there consuming the remaining Eucharist were the ones who functioned as the extraordinary ministers of communion during the mass. Similar to how the EMCs will drink the remaining blood after everyone has received, they were consuming the remaining body.

I'm not at all sure if this is allowable or not, but what disgusted me was not the fact that they were doing it so much as the manner in which they were doing it. Dancing and throwing your hands up and down getting the crowd excited while your mouth is literally full, chewing on Christ's body--all the while, the youth coordinator who is up there with them (who just happens to be the youth coordinator of my parish) does nothing. It's infuriating.

I can promise you that not one kid who attended this event left with a better understanding of the Eucharist, and in fact, I would go so far as to say that this event actually harmed their spiritual growth, in more ways than one.

[Good Friday]

dUSt, I didn't realize that they were EEM's. I don't know if that's allowable or not, in those circumstances. I think I may also have been wrong about [i]graviora derelicta[/i] -- I went back and reread [i]Redemptionis Sacramentum[/i], and I realized that the improper disposal I was thinking of was dumping the Eucharist out -- but it doesn't address people other than the priest consuming the remaining Eucharistic Hosts...

I still would think it wasn't allowed. For one thing, there is no need to consume the remaining hosts if they are not leavened (and they should not be), because unleavened hosts can be reserved. For another thing, if there had been some need to consume the hosts, I would think that should have been done by the priest -- not the EEM's. In fact, I don't think the EEM's are even supposed to consume the Precious Blood that is left over, I think the priest is supposed to do that.

Anyway, you should probably just write to your Bishop after all and see what happens from there. If you're not satisfied with his response, though, you have the right as a Catholic to address your concerns to the Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship and/or the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

[cmotherofpirl]

THey are cersinly violating the sacredness of Mass. This doesn't exactly pertain by read the underlined scetion.

[107.] In accordance with what is laid down by the canons, “one who throws away the consecrated species or takes them away or keeps them for a sacrilegious purpose, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; a cleric, moreover, may be punished by another penalty, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state”.[[u]194] To be regarded as pertaining to this case is any action that is voluntarily and gravely disrespectful of the sacred species. [/u]Anyone, therefore, who acts contrary to these norms, for example casting the sacred species into the sacrarium or in an unworthy place or on the ground, incurs the penalties laid down.[195] Furthermore all will remember that once the distribution of Holy Communion during the celebration of Mass has been completed, the prescriptions of the Roman Missal are to be observed, and in particular, [u]whatever may remain of the Blood of Christ must be entirely and immediately consumed by the Priest or by another minister, according to the norms, while the consecrated hosts that are left are to be consumed by the Priest at the altar or carried to the place for the reservation of the Eucharist.[196][/u]

[basssoon]

I should remember to read the entire thread before posting questions...

Edited July 15, 2004 by basssoon

[cmotherofpirl]

[102.] The chalice should not be ministered to lay members of Christ’s faithful where there is such a large number of communicants[189]that it is difficult to gauge the amount of wine for the Eucharist and there is a danger that “more than a reasonable quantity of the Blood of Christ remain to be consumed at the end of the celebration”.[190]

[VeraMaria]

Ugh dUST, write to your bishop.

nothing else for me to say that hasn't been said except

[dUSt]

Thankfully, only the Body was distributed, but this:

"while the consecrated hosts that are left are to be consumed by the Priest at the altar or carried to the place for the reservation of the Eucharist.[196] "

says nothing about anyone except the priest consuming the remaining hosts. It appears to me that what happened was, in fact, a violation. It would have been even if the EMCs consumed the remaining hosts in a reverent manner.

[Quietfire]

When things like this happen, it only adds fuel to the fire for those outside of the Catholic Church to try to discredit and humiliate her.

Things like this should not be allowed to continue. I agree that nuns and priests outside their religious duties neednt wear their habits or collars, but when one is representing the Church then they should be made to show their authority.

Start writing, calling and praying.

Peace.

[cmotherofpirl]

It is a violation.

We just had our RS workshop. The only time a EMHC msay consume hosts is if he has gone to a nursing home and the people who could recieve Holy Communion don't. THe EMHC must then make an attempt to return the extra hosts to the Church. If he cannot return them, only then may they be consumed.

Edited July 16, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[qfnol31]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Jul 15 2004, 04:44 PM'] qfnol

I don't think this applies to the action that happened. The youth that were up there consuming the remaining Eucharist were the ones who functioned as the extraordinary ministers of communion during the mass. Similar to how the EMCs will drink the remaining blood after everyone has received, they were consuming the remaining body.

I'm not at all sure if this is allowable or not, but what disgusted me was not the fact that they were doing it so much as the manner in which they were doing it. Dancing and throwing your hands up and down getting the crowd excited while your mouth is literally full, chewing on Christ's body--all the while, the youth coordinator who is up there with them (who just happens to be the youth coordinator of my parish) does nothing. It's infuriating.

I can promise you that not one kid who attended this event left with a better understanding of the Eucharist, and in fact, I would go so far as to say that this event actually harmed their spiritual growth, in more ways than one. [/quote]
They have to follow the liturgical norms still, and liturgical dancing isn't allowed.


Also, EMHCs are only allowed to consume what's left in certain circumstances, normally during the Mass.

[qfnol31]

Everything in GIRM seems to suggest that anything other than silence when people are receiving is to be rebuked. It says that the faithful should be "properly disposed" when receiving the spiritual food that is the Body and Blood of Christ.

[Crusader_4]

In regards to religious habit whenver i walk down the street or anywhere for that matter and i see a member of the clergy i just feel like approaching them and talking to them....had they not been in their habit i would have never known and would have likely not made a really strong effort to say hello and encourage them.

[fmjag06]

Hello everyone. I was present at this event and after reading this thread I have a few comments.
First, when the announcement was made for the EMC to go back up to consume the extra hosts after Mass (it wasnt directly said, but most people knew exactly what was happening) I thought that this was odd. Never before have I ever heard of the EMC's to consume remaining concecrated hosts.
Dust, and any others present, does the clapping to the songs during the Mass constitute a violation of any kind? I noticed that the priest joined in this, but unfortunately we cannot say that priests always act accordingly.
As far as the dance goes, that was a joke and an embarassment to be around. I have been to other events put on by the FW Diocease where dances were done well, but this was certainly not one. I asked some of my friends to join me at the coffee house, where the music was clean and entertaining, and both Curtis Stephan and Jesse Manibusan played a few songs.
And getting back to the workshops, the 2 I attended were "how to plan music for youth ministry" and "prayer experience". The first was held by Curtis and Jesse and was very well done, as these to men can grap an audience and bring God into the talk. The prayer workshop was taught by a man named Orlando, and was 2 prayer services, seperated by a discussion of 4 types of prayer. I found this to be a powerful event, especially the second prayer service.
I would love to hear from anyone else that was at DCYC or that has comments.