The Thread That Turned Into Dust's Vent Thread

[St. Catherine]

My reactions to your statements:

[quote]- a dance which played modern secular rap music with unedited vulgar language[/quote]

[quote]- a homily about how it's not as important to learn about the sacraments because where we truly find Christ is in our hearts and in eachother[/quote]

:angry: [quote]- about 10 youth consuming the remaining Holy Eucharist after mass, while dancing to the music and pumping up the crowd (with their mouth full)[/quote] :angry:

Now you know how NOT to run a youth event. Right??

Edited July 15, 2004 by St. Catherine

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='VanHooty' date='Jul 15 2004, 12:46 PM'] Well, I'm not sure if wearing a habit is going to be the primary motivation for someone to want to join a religious order. So, I'm guess I'm more concerned about the character of each individual said sister or nun.

But I certainly don't understand or like the "laypeople r0x0rs, j00 priests are lam3rz" mentality (yes... the 1337 speak is intentionally annoying). And as for the event... well... there shall be much eye-rolling and feeling of horror on my part.

Oh, hello everyone. [/quote]
Hi Van.

My point was you don't concern things you don't see. If you never see a religious in a habit, you could kind of forget they exist.

[pionono]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Jul 15 2004, 10:35 AM'] Question: If priests are not visible at these events, and the nuns aren't wearing habits, why would a teen be motivated to become one? Combine that with the popular "the body is the Church, laypeople are just as important as priests" theology being rampantly taught, and it's no wonder that kids don't feel a need to enter the religious life. Because remember, we are no longer members of a Church, but a "community".

Ugh. I'll be writing my bishop, and have faith that he'll take action on this matter. [/quote]
That is exactly my point. Can these places really marvel at the fact that they are on the verge of shutting down?

[pionono]

[quote name='Catholic_4_Life' date='Jul 15 2004, 11:26 AM'] Not good? I've always believed they were good...what's not good? Inform this cradle Catholic!! [/quote]
Suggested reading list on their webpage (don't be distracted by the Legionaire at the beginning. Page down and look at the names. Let me know if they are not familiar):
[url="http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm"]http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm[/url]

Here are some of the sites they link to:
www.comfortqueen.com
www.findthedivine.com


Here is a perfect little snapshot of the kind of nun that belongs to this community:
[url="http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/"]http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/[/url]

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Our [awesome] bishop came to my school to celebrate the Mass, and a bunch of people were making noises like they were at the Super Bowl.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='pionono' date='Jul 15 2004, 11:20 AM'] Suggested reading list on their webpage (don't be distracted by the Legionaire at the beginning. Page down and look at the names. Let me know if they are not familiar):
[url="http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm"]http://www.thedome.org/vocations/readingN.htm[/url]

Here are some of the sites they link to:
www.comfortqueen.com
www.findthedivine.com


Here is a perfect little snapshot of the kind of nun that belongs to this community:
[url="http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/"]http://www.thedome.org/Stillpoint/[/url] [/quote]
i'm not seeing what's wrong with them.

a lot of older nuns don't wear habits because when Vatican II happened when they were young nuns, and their orders didn't require them to wear habits anymore. but they all dressed modestly.

[dUSt]

I think it's fine to not wear habits or collars for day to day mundane activities, but when you're at Church, or at a Catholic event or anyplace that you'll be representing the Church, why not wear them? What better way to separate yourself from the lay people and this ordinary world? If a kid is looking for someone to talk to about God, how in the world would they know the difference between the nun and the cleaning lady? The priest or the janitor?

When kids can't [b]see[/b] priests and nuns in places of authority, why would they ever think about becoming one? How will they learn that the religious life is a higher calling than the lay life, if everyone is just mixed together and deemed "equal" in the first place?

[StColette]

I agree completely dUSt, I can understand the possibility of them not wearing their collar or habit for things that they must do outside the Church like grocery shopping, my dad and I ran into one in Wal-Mart in full habit the other day lol, anyway but I do see that it is a necessity for them to wear them at Church and Church sponsored events. We had a few sisters come to our Church not long ago a none of them were in their habits It was a really sad sight. But there are many Sisters here that still wear their habits, in fact I go to a state University with a Sister and she wears her habit to classes everyday. When I see her something about that habit makes me smile

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Jul 15 2004, 11:35 AM'] Ugh. I'll be writing my bishop, and have faith that he'll take action on this matter. [/quote]
That was going to be my suggestion.

Remember to be "unbiased" in your reporting of what went on... "just the facts, just the facts".

I think diocesan youth ministry has gone downhill (was it ever up the hill?). Every event for my diocese (youth related) that I've been to made me want to puke.

Edited July 15, 2004 by Fides_et_Ratio

[Good Friday]

[quote name='dUSt']- about 10 youth consuming the remaining Holy Eucharist after mass, while dancing to the music and pumping up the crowd (with their mouth full)[/quote]
I think you should do way more than just write to your Bishop, I think you should write to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The improper disposal of Holy Communion is [i]graviora derelicta[/i] (I hope I'm spelling that right), according to [i]Redemptionis Sacramentum[/i]. That incurs automatic excommunication that can only be absolved by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith -- that means that, at the very least, the priests/nuns who allowed the kids to consume the remaining Eucharist have been excommunicated because they must have known they shouldn't do it, and it's quite possible that the kids were excommunicated, too.

I think the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith definitely needs to investigate. I've frankly never heard of something so sacriligeous.

[VanHooty]

[quote]My point was you don't concern things you don't see. If you never see a religious in a habit, you could kind of forget they exist.[/quote]

Yeah... that's a very valid point, and one I'll happily agree to.

Edited July 15, 2004 by VanHooty

[qfnol31]

I think Matt told me about this....some of it anyway.

[dUSt]

Nathan,

I read those sections in Redem.Sacra. again and couldn't find anything that deals with this. Did you? It was extremely disturbing to watch this happen. I would love to include some documentation in my letter to the bishop.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='"Redemptionis Sacramentum"']88 The faithful should normally receive sacramental Communion of the Eucharist during Mass itself, at the moment laid down by the rite of celebration, that is to say, just after the Priest celebrant’s Communion.[172] It is the Priest celebrant’s responsibility to minister Communion, perhaps assisted by other Priests or Deacons; and he should not resume the Mass until after the Communion of the faithful is concluded. Only when there is a necessity may extraordinary ministers assist the Priest celebrant in accordance with the norm of law.[/quote]

[qfnol31]

This is what I thought (gotta look into Canon Law):

Can. 918 [quote]It is highly recommended that the faithful receive holy communion during the eucharistic celebration itself. It is to be administered outside the Mass, however, to those who request it for a just cause, with the liturgical rites being observed.[/quote]