This Pastor Has Guts!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I think it would be best to move this thread...

[catholicguy]

No I understand it perfectly. I have the documents of Vat II in my room, and I have read them (not fully). I do understand them, unlike many who have never read them and suffice anything that is "old-fashioned" to being "changed by Vat II." Furthermore, the Council of Trent, if contradicting Vatican II, takes precedence, as it is infallible and declared FAITH AND MORALS. Vat II merely defined pastoral application of practices, which defined NO new morals nor any new Faith. The Council of Trent, which was called to combat the protestant heresy to which this man belongs, states as follows in its canons on justification: [quote]CANON IX.-If anyone says, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema. [/quote]

There are nearly an infinite number of condemnations of the protestant heresy in Trent. The Roman Catechism, which was called for by the Council of Trent makes this all more clear: "Moreover, the Church alone has the legitimate worship of sacrifice, and the salutary use of the Sacraments, which are the efficacious instruments of divine grace, used by God to produce true holiness. Hence, to possess true holiness, we must belong to this Church. The Church therefore it is clear, is holy, and holy because she is the body of Christ, by whom she is sanctified, and in whose blood she is washed." This supports St. Augustine: to be holy (good) we MUST be in the Church.

Again the Roman Catechism pronounces, speaking of Figures of the Church in the Old Law: "Another figure presents itself in the great city of Jerusalem, which, in Scripture, often means the Church. In Jerusalem only was it lawful to offer sacrifice to God, and [u]in the Church of God only are to be found the true worship and true sacrifice which can at all be acceptable to God.[/u]" In the Church of God (the Roman Church) ONLY can be worship (including, of course, prayer) and true sacrifice (Mass) that can AT ALL be acceptable to God. God rejects the "prayers" of the perfidious and impious heretics, according to the Roman Catechism and the Holy Council of Trent.

Edited July 14, 2004 by catholicguy