This Pastor Has Guts!

[Quietfire]

Hey Phamily.

Ive received this about 3 times, figured everyone has read it, but just in case you havent, I copied it here and you can paste and copy if ya wanna keep it or send it to someone.
If more people were like this...........

Thought you might enjoy this interesting prayer given in Kansas at the opening session of their Senate. It seems prayer still upsets some people.

When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard:

"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

We confess that we have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and call it Pluralism.

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.

We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.

We have killed our unborn and called it choice.

We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem.

We have abused power and called it politics.

We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.

We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.

We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.

Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will and to openly ask these things in the name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ.

Amen!"

The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in protest..

In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding negatively.

The church is now receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India, Africa and Korea.

Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, "The Rest of the Story," and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired.

With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called "one nation under God."

If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends. "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."
Think about this: If you forward this prayer to everyone on your e-mail list, in less than 30 days it would be heard by the world.

Edited July 14, 2004 by Quietfire

[Moosey]

Thats sweet.

[prov31girl]

Rock on Minister Wright!!!

It's about time someone prayed an honest prayer for our country!!

[Moosey]

I just sent it to half the people in my address book

[mamalove]

Awsome prayer. But, I haven't heard very many good things about Central Christian Church over the years. Maybe he has stepped in there and cleaned things up a bit! Regardless, keep praying this prayer!!!

[Quietfire]

It was more of the prayer and the impact of the prayer that piqued me.
An honest prayer is more powerful than anything.

I found it amazing that some walked out in protest. Just wish I knew who they were.

[cathgirl]

That is sooooo neat that someone had the guts to dot hat! The Holy Spirit was obviously w/ him!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Sweetness...

If only more of our Catholic clergy had the guts...

[Paladin D]

GOOD FOR HIM!

[+GOD_iS_mOvInG+]

That is SOO AWSOME! Good for him!

GOD, please let this prayer help change the hearts and souls of this world, especially America!! Amen!

YaY!

"Holy Spirit touch your people, teach us the ways of GOD. As we live as Jesus did, you are honored and lifted up.

Theres a stirring in the Spirit, theirs an urgancy in this hour. We as children must obey-- can you hear the footsteps of GOD? GOD is moving! Can you hear the sound of Revival?"

[catholicguy]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 14 2004, 12:08 PM'] Hey Phamily.

Ive received this about 3 times, figured everyone has read it, but just in case you havent, I copied it here and you can paste and copy if ya wanna keep it or send it to someone.
If more people were like this...........

Thought you might enjoy this interesting prayer given in Kansas at  the opening session of their Senate. It seems prayer still upsets some  people.

When Minister Joe Wright  was asked to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was  expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard:

"Heavenly Father, we come  before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and  guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but  that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium  and reversed our values.

We confess that we have  ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and call it Pluralism. 

We have exploited the  poor and called it the lottery.

We have rewarded laziness  and called it welfare.

We have killed our unborn  and called it choice.

We have shot abortionists  and called it justifiable.

We have neglected to  discipline our children and called it building self esteem.

We have abused power and  called it politics.

We have coveted our  neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.

We have polluted the air  with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. 

We have ridiculed the  time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. 

Search us, Oh, God, and  know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. 

Guide and bless these men  and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will and  to openly ask these things in the name of Your Son, the living Savior,  Jesus Christ.

Amen!"

The response was  immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in  protest..

In 6 short weeks, Central  Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000  phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding negatively.

The church is now  receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India,  Africa and Korea.

Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, "The Rest of the Story," and  received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired.

With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called "one nation under God."

If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends. "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."
Think about this:  If you forward this prayer to everyone on your e-mail list, in less than 30 days it would be heard by the world. [/quote]
Too bad he's not a part of Christ's One True Church, outside of which no one is saved. As St. Augustine says, of those who are Catholics there are good and bad, but no matter how good another appears to himself or to others, if he be not Catholic, he neither is nor can be good, as Christ Himself stated: "He who is not with Me is against Me." I think if we polled most priests, however, we would get the exact opposite of that (opposite of the protestant and opposite of St. Augustine): the watered-down "everything is alright and everyone is going to heaven" mumbo-jumbo.

(Not to mention the Church's teaching at Trent as well as numerous Saints and Doctors that all non-Catholics "prayers" are blasphemies)

Edited July 14, 2004 by catholicguy

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 14 2004, 03:57 PM'] Too bad he's not a part of Christ's One True Church, outside of which no one is saved. As St. Augustine says, of those who are Catholics there are good and bad, but no matter how good another appears to himself or to others, if he be not Catholic, he neither is nor can be good, as Christ Himself stated: "He who is not with Me is against Me." I think if we polled most priests, however, we would get the exact opposite of that (opposite of the protestant and opposite of St. Augustine): the watered-down "everything is alright and everyone is going to heaven" mumbo-jumbo. [/quote]
St. Augustine said that long before Protestantism.

Oh, and St. Augustine was never infallible.

[catholicguy]

I added a note about the Church's teaching at Trent. Maybe that, which is infallible, is more convincing?

Oh, and the Athanasian Creed was written long before almost any heresy (only after the major heresy of Arianism), yet is states clearly that all must be Catholic to be saved, does that mean that non-Catholics can be saved? No, of course not.

Edited July 14, 2004 by catholicguy

[catholicguy]

The Athanasian Creed:

[quote][b][u]Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly[/u][/b]. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Etneral and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Uncomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity is Trinity, and the Trinity is Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.

God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. [b][u]This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved[/u].[/b] [/quote]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 14 2004, 04:00 PM'] I added a note about the Church's teaching at Trent. Maybe that, which is infallible, is more convincing?

Oh, and the Athanasian Creed was written long before almost any heresy (only after the major heresy of Arianism), yet is states clearly that all must be Catholic to be saved, does that mean that non-Catholics can be saved? No, of course not. [/quote]
It would be more convincing, if it weren't in complete agreement with the Vatican II Council, but since there is no contradiction, it's quite worthless in making that point.

As for the Athanasian Creed, it would go to the colloquial understanding of the term "Catholic" and how it applied. One could hardly claim that St. Athanasius could have predicted heresy, schism, etc. in such a way to work out the theology so far ahead of time. Nor do you seem to understand what Vatican II said.