p0lar_bear Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 phatcatholic, Isaac was not the first born, Ishmael was. He and his mother were sent away after Isaac was born because Sarah was jealous and didn't want her son to be 'second' even though Ishmael was the son of a concubine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Isaac is the first legitmate son though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes Isaac was the first legitimate son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 All the children by a concubine are legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 14 2004, 10:31 PM'] All the children by a concubine are legitimate. [/quote] for real? do you have any documentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Well... when Hagar (?) and Ishmael were sent away, Ishmael lost his claim as heir and the other benefits of being the son of Abraham. So in a way, Isaac was then Abrahams only son (i.e. heir). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Jul 15 2004, 11:10 AM'] Well... when Hagar (?) and Ishmael were sent away, Ishmael lost his claim as heir and the other benefits of being the son of Abraham. So in a way, Isaac was then Abrahams only son (i.e. heir). [/quote] i'm probably not as familiar w/ this whole story as i should be. what are the scripture verses? (i know, i know, i should know this already ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Are you happy yet phatcatholic? I don't have much time but if its important to you I can post my excessive and loquacious comments concerning what I read in your original post (I haven't read the entire thread). If this is old I'll just spend the time checking my emails or something (on a library computer with limited time). God bless. P.S. How have you been brother?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Genesis 21 btw, I don't know if what I said is right..it sounds good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jul 15 2004, 11:53 AM'] Are you happy yet phatcatholic? I don't have much time but if its important to you I can post my excessive and loquacious comments concerning what I read in your original post (I haven't read the entire thread). If this is old I'll just spend the time checking my emails or something (on a library computer with limited time). God bless. P.S. How have you been brother?? [/quote] dude! where have you been! i've missed ya man, for real. we never got to hook up on that collaboration and defend this Church w/ a one-two punch. well, we have plenty of opportunities now, w/ different apologists (including myself) puttin work in over at the [url="http://p197.ezboard.com/bformercatholicsforchrist"][b]FCFC Ezboard[/b][/url], at [url="http://reachingforchrist.org/forums/index.php"][b]RTWFC Ministries[/b][/url], and at JustForCatholics.org, where we're responding to their articles in the [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=15365"][b]debate table[/b][/url] i look forward to working w/ u and learning from you again. pax christi, nick ps: any excessive and loquacious comments you have to offer would be greatly appreicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 (edited) Speaking of FCFC Ezboard, I'm in the need of a little help, I'm still on the subject of "Mary had no other Children" we are going on week 3 with this one lol Does anyone know where I can find reference to the Jewish law that gives the care of a widowed mother into the care of her eldest son and so forth down the line of her sons. I've read reference to it in several articles, but they want more proof than a simple sentence saying that there is a law and Rome didn't make it up. Believe me any help with this would be highly helpful and I would be very thankful. God Bless, Jennie Edited July 15, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 15 2004, 12:56 PM'] dude! where have you been! i've missed ya man, for real. we never got to hook up on that collaboration and defend this Church w/ a one-two punch. well, we have plenty of opportunities now, w/ different apologists (including myself) puttin work in over at the [url="http://p197.ezboard.com/bformercatholicsforchrist"][b]FCFC Ezboard[/b][/url], at [url="http://reachingforchrist.org/forums/index.php"][b]RTWFC Ministries[/b][/url], and at JustForCatholics.org, where we're responding to their articles in the [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=15365"][b]debate table[/b][/url] i look forward to working w/ u and learning from you again. pax christi, nick ps: any excessive and loquacious comments you have to offer would be greatly appreicated [/quote] Dooood!! That sounds so fun. I wish I had time to debate on those board with you! ... *sigh* ... Maybe in a month or two I will be setup where I can do that. I'm thinking of going back to college (just thinking!). If that happens I will spend lots of time on phatmass because I'm not that good about doing my homework. God bless you brother, I'll see you around for sure. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 (edited) [quote name='StColette' date='Jul 15 2004, 01:44 PM'] Speaking of FCFC Ezboard, I'm in the need of a little help, I'm still on the subject of "Mary had no other Children" we are going on week 3 with this one lol Does anyone know where I can find reference to the Jewish law that gives the care of a widowed mother into the care of her eldest son and so forth down the line of her sons. I've read reference to it in several articles, but they want more proof than a simple sentence saying that there is a law and Rome didn't make it up. Believe me any help with this would be highly helpful and I would be very thankful. God Bless, Jennie [/quote] i've been looking for the documentation of this, for i too have been wondering about this for a while. so far, i found this, by a mormon. maybe the fact that he contends what the church does about the care of a mother may at least prove that it is not a solely catholic belief. also, the author's bio reveals that he specializes in Jewish and Middle-Eastern culture. at [url="http://www.ida.net/users/rdk/ces/maritial_customs.html"][b]this article[/b][/url], scroll down to "CHILDREN ARE AN INHERITANCE OF THE LORD". here is [url="http://www.ida.net/users/rdk/p/family.html"][b]the bio[/b][/url] of the author i'll search for more..... pax christi, phatcatholic Edited July 15, 2004 by phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 jennie.........i'm gonna start a new thread for this topic, since it doesn't really fit here. plus, i want everyone to see it so we'll get more help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Okay, thanks phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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