Spiritual message about the vaccines

[nj73]

Hi!
I am told this spiritually. Just posting so you can help others if this happens.

Told that ADHD medication will help against a weaker immune system. And that the Covid vaccines can cause this.

There are studies that seem to confirm that some ADHD medication will make the immune system stronger when sick.

[cruciatacara]

11 hours ago, nj73 said:

Hi!
I am told this spiritually. Just posting so you can help others if this happens.

Told that ADHD medication will help against a weaker immune system. And that the Covid vaccines can cause this.

There are studies that seem to confirm that some ADHD medication will make the immune system stronger when sick.

It isn't a good idea to give medical advice to others unless you are a doctor, no matter how many spiritual experiences you have. wouldn't you feel a little bit bad if someone followed your crazy advice and ended up sicker - or even dead?

[Anastasia13]

12 hours ago, nj73 said:

Hi!
I am told this spiritually. Just posting so you can help others if this happens.

Told that ADHD medication will help against a weaker immune system. And that the Covid vaccines can cause this.

There are studies that seem to confirm that some ADHD medication will make the immune system stronger when sick.

I did a quick google search and one medication is good, another is bad, generally more research is needed. With different kinds of ADHD medication around, I think clarifying research would good to provide such as which kind and probably the medical circumstances of the particular person. Now if we are generally talking about people with ADHD and them taking their medication that they are prescribed, they are probably more likely to remember to take their vitamins too when they take their medication if their ADHD is strong enough for them to need medication.

General reminder to take prescription medications only as prescribed to you by a licensed healthcare worker (reasons for exceptions are reasons to set an appointment with one) and read the instructions on over-the-counter meds as applies and eat your veggies.

[nj73]

5 hours ago, cruciatacara said:

It isn't a good idea to give medical advice to others unless you are a doctor, no matter how many spiritual experiences you have. wouldn't you feel a little bit bad if someone followed your crazy advice and ended up sicker - or even dead?

Doing nothing here is probably what can result in people dying though. And people need a prescription anyway.

This is from one study. 50% is so very high that i doubt it can be explained with a change in behaviour. There is also evidence that ADHD is an immuno related disease.

"The COVID-19 infection rate is nearly 50% higher among individuals with unmedicated ADHD compared to individuals without ADHD"

 

[cruciatacara]

3 hours ago, nj73 said:

Doing nothing here is probably what can result in people dying though. And people need a prescription anyway.

This is from one study. 50% is so very high that i doubt it can be explained with a change in behaviour. There is also evidence that ADHD is an immuno related disease.

"The COVID-19 infection rate is nearly 50% higher among individuals with unmedicated ADHD compared to individuals without ADHD"

 

Not all studies are equal. You are also confusing two things. ADHD medication is for ADHD, not for COVID. If someone needs ADHD medication, then their doctor will prescribe it and they should take it. Otherwise, stop conflating two issues, ADHD and COVID - not related as far as medication/vaccination goes.

[nj73]

20 hours ago, cruciatacara said:

Not all studies are equal. You are also confusing two things. ADHD medication is for ADHD, not for COVID. If someone needs ADHD medication, then their doctor will prescribe it and they should take it. Otherwise, stop conflating two issues, ADHD and COVID - not related as far as medication/vaccination goes.

Sorry i don´t get your point.

If ADHD medication works for Covid or other infections then sooner or later it will likely be prescribed for infections.  

I don´t know why it works for serious infections though.

One answer may be because adrenaline is released and immune cells have adrenaline receptors. Guess it is more complicated.

 

"In the new study, the investigators were able to show that the massive redistribution of immune cells throughout the body was orchestrated by three hormones"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120621223525.htm

[nj73]

Science is open minded and is ready to change. Quite the opposite of what we have seen the past years.

It´s nothing new that scientist find that an old drug is also beneficial for other diseases. If they see that benefit is far higher than risk.

In some countries as far as i understand, it is up to the doctor to decide this.

One example from a new study:

"Boosting levels of the neurotransmitter norepinephrine with atomoxetine, a repurposed ADHD medication, may be able to stall neurodegeneration in people with early signs of Alzheimer’s disease, according to a new study."

[Anastasia13]

Ok, several points if we are going to discuss this.

ADHD itself is a risk factor. Saying that insulin helps diabetics with Covid survive it better does not mean that all of us will be better from Covid if we take insulin-in fact, it might make us sicker if we significantly alter a previously healthy metabolism.

ADHD is a risk factor for poorer outcome. (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350590767_The_association_between_ADHD_and_the_severity_of_COVID-19_infection)

Many ADHD medications carry side effects and potential long term effects that are dangerious (potential heart issues, lower bone mass, changes in dopamine receptors, greater addiction risk to non-ADHD people) to use without great care and discretion.

ADHD medication helps ADHD people. (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1087054720943271)

These studies have not looked at non-ADHD people other than to say that ADHD+Medication = neuro-typical general population rates/severity but ADHD alone > general population rates/severity.

This is far too little to make a medical recommendation about at this time. This is definitely an area to research further. There are unanswered questions like which kind of medication (see chart below). There will need to be comparisons to non-ADHD people who take these medications, but it will be harder to find people who should medically be involved in this-see side effects and addiction risk for neurotypicals, and consideration of other pre-existing conditions that might impact such studies. If there are chemical benefits, then the next questions is how much is medication-immune impacts vs behavioral impacts. 

I made inquiry about ADHD medication and covid on ADHD twitter and got a few replies that fit the discussion that ADDitude gave regarding behavior in a discussion on a sudy confirming that ADHD medication helped mitigate the effect of ADHD.

 

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The scientists posit that ADHD symptoms and traits, including failure to give close attention to detail, impulsivity, forgetfulness, risk-taking behaviors, and more might explain the elevated probability of exposure to Sars-Cov-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in this group.

“These characteristics of ADHD interfere with the ability to comply with WHO demands for the prevention of COVID-19 infection,” part of the study reads. “The notion of dysregulated behavior as a cause for increased risk for infection with COVID-19 is supported by the reduced rate of infection in ADHD treated patients, as compared to the higher rate of infection in the untreated ones.”

Overall, you may be completely right, and I hope they research more, but it's too soon to say that this is generally a solution. There are too many variables and lets face it, the general public can be a bit rash (and sometimes stupid?) about such things. Such medication decisions, because of the complexity of their effect on the body, should be left up to the treating physicians who I imagine will be very cautious with those until we have more information.

Stay well!

Fun fact: Atomoxetine is very different from most ADHD medications and only works for a small part of the ADHD community for their symptoms. 

 

Edited March 30, 2022 by Anastasia13
It didn’t let my separate my quote from my ending.