MorphRC Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote]Hi Morph, As I've said, I'm against the Iraqi War; however, as I've pointed out, Bush's "warmongering" kills less people than Kerry's support of baby killing. The number of people killed by abortion is astounding compared with the number of people killed during the Iraqi War.[/quote] US Foreign Policy kills millions a year. THey both do a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Not to mention how many more it will kill in the future with Americas 'Imperialist' attitude it shows sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spriles Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Micheal Moore is a bumbling idiot and so is anyone who beleives his pathetic lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Michael Moore... I watched Bowling for Columbine, and while he did bring up some good questions, it was overdramatic for something that's supposed to be a documentary. Like when he asked Charlton Heston (*cough* moron *cough*) to look at the picture of the girl... then placing it dramatically at his door... it's very unprofessional for a documentarian. He's also very unclear as to his stand on the gun-front; he seems to be blaming one thing, then saying it's not that, it's something else... then something else... He just seems like he wants to blame a lot.. for example, in the beginning he puts the blame on readily-available guns and bullets, then later on says that it's easy in Canada too, so it should be something else... Taking Farenheit at seriously's therefore not a good idea; and I'm not a Bush supporter, mind you. As for the abortion/Iraqi war/gay marriage argument: according to the laws of Catholicism... they're all wrong. They involve dead people and unnatural sex. Why argue which is more wrong than the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote]The only reason people hate Bush more is because he's the one in power and will do all they can to get him out because that will show an exertion of power over America. When it comes down to it, everyone else is jealous over America. We're like the popular kid in high school: everyone likes to be seen around him or her, but anyone would do whatever it takes to bring the popular kid down and become the next popular kid. [/quote] Yeah and we all know what it says about the rest of us if the person in power's an incapable ape who can't say 3-syllabled words. "Being this popular is not just my right, it's my responsibility, and I want you to know I take it very seriously" - Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 the Iraqui war cannot be put on the same level as abortion or gay marriage. Cardinal Ratzinger, Head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said Catholics may have a variety of opinion about specific wars (or the application of the death penalty). they must all believe Catholic Doctrine about what a just war is and what it is not, but they do not have to all believe the same thing as regards to whether or not a specific war was justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote]the Iraqui war cannot be put on the same level as abortion or gay marriage. Cardinal Ratzinger, Head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said Catholics may have a variety of opinion about specific wars (or the application of the death penalty). they must all believe Catholic Doctrine about what a just war is and what it is not, but they do not have to all believe the same thing as regards to whether or not a specific war was justified. [/quote] hmm... ok... but the people deciding that this war's justified are mainly the American govt & people. The UN & the Vatican clearly said it wasn't, but were ignored. So if you say that this war was justified, you're filtering out everything but the American viewpoint-- which really isn't much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 (I know this belongs in the debate forum, rather than movies . . . but) All I can say concerning posts by people supporting Sen. Kerry, is that if even self-proclaimed pro-life Catholics support politicians such as Kerry who openly and shamelessly and blatantly support all aspects of the Culture of Death, God help us all! The modern national Democratic Party is all about promoting abortion, homsexuality, human bioengineering, and all forms of immorality. Whatever you think about Bush and the Iraq war (I do believe he has his faults), at least Bush will pass pro-life legislation that gets past the Dems in the Senate. Kerry will strike down any curbs on abortion and will appoint more actively pro-abort judges! If you truly and sincerely believe Bush is absolutely no good for the pro-life cause, at least vote for a pro-life alternative candidate, or refrain from voting (though I beleive this will only help Kerry). Supporting Kerry and his ilk is unacceptable! And Catholics who vote for such politicians have no right to complain about the Culture of Death in America. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution! Remember, All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 not america alone, but America with a coalition. sometimes it's better to be right alone than wrong in the false sequirity of the crowd. you KNOW if Bush hadn't acted and Al Quaida got their hands on some Sarin Gas or nuclear bomb and attacked New York, Michael Moore would've made a movie about how Bush had all this intelligence about Saddam at his disposal and didn't act. I support Bush's actions, and think it was a very courageous of him to do it despite what the world was saying because frankly: the rest of the world (the Pope excluded) i think was trying to follow the idea of appeasment letting Saddam go to avoid confrontation. Even if we hadn't gone in when we did, i believe war with this lunatic was inevitable because he was never gonna give up supporting terrorists and seeking WMDs. at least we did it on our terms not his. at least Michael Moore never got the chance to make the movie Farenheit: Saddam Hussein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Well, I guess that's one way of seeing things, and I'm not saying that you're wrong; but from a neutral standpoint (i.e. non-American), another way of seeing things is that America is the most powerful nation in the world. And seeing as how they're that powerful, they can choose to do whatever they want without anyone standing in their way, including invading another country. America saw Iraq as a threat and decided to invade it before the opposite happened? That was the stand taken by Germany in the 2nd World War. I'm not saying it's the same situation, but the rap is similar. Hitler used a variety of excuses during his rule that sounded reasonable; he took back the Rhineland because it was supposed to be German territory (it was confiscated to France in WWI), he rearmed secretly behind the Allies' backs and when they found out, said that it was for protection, because the Allies' themselves had been rearming. This same defiance of international law was also the reason for the fall of the League of Nations--they weren't able to stop Japan, Greece & many other major countries from bullying the smaller nations (+ the US didn't want to get involved & sanctions didn't work) and so it fell apart & many of those major countries later on became heavily involved in WWII in one way or another, with more territories, people & weapons under their belts. Even if you are right about Bush's righteousness, you can't really blame everyone else for feeling so antagonistic towards the US war policy. But I thank you for your viewpoint; it *is* a reasonable way of looking at things, even if only a minority believe in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) If a person tells a bunch of lies and then tells some truths, and you know that this person has told lies before, then you can't ever truly trust them because they have lied to you before. The person loses their credibility. That being said, I don't understand how people can say "well, a lot of Michael Moore's movie was a lie, but some of it was the truth." How can you believe anything that a liar says. Also, I don't understand how a person can believe a liar and then accuse someone of being not credible simply because they support President Bush. I'm not gonna get into the whole "Bush lied" debate because the 9/11 commission, MI6 (British Intelligence), and the Russian intelligence all said that Bush did not lie. Also, the accusations against President Bush that he's not pro-life because he hasn't gotten rid of abortion. The President doesn't have the power to make laws. A member of Congress has to present a bill, then the House and Senate vote on it, then it goes to the President who either signs the bill into law or vetos the bill. You want to complain about politicians and the abortion issue? Start complaining about the Supreme Court. They illegally made abortion legal. The Supreme Court doesn't have the power to make laws, but they did it anyways; the same way the 9th circuit court tried to take "Under God" out of the Pledge. Also, I don't understand how somebody can complain about President Bush not being pro-life and then you go and vote for somebody that will work to get all bans removed on abortion. "The cookie has a little poo in it, so I might as well eat nothing but poo. If you're gonna have some poo in your cookie, you might as well have all poo in your cookie." This makes so much sense. Furthermore, calling yourself a conservative or a Catholic doesn't make you one. There's this thing called Church doctrine, and it says all of the things that the Church teaches as things you must believe in order to be Catholic. One of those things is that you must completely reject abortion and cannot do anything to aid abortion. Voting for a person who supports abortion would be going against the doctrine that abortion is intrinsically evil. Finally, America did not go to war against Saddam on it's own. There were 50 other countries that fought with us to help rid the world of Saddam. Just because France and Germany were a couple of belligerent girlie-men receiving kickbacks from and selling military supplies to Saddam, and didn't want to go to war in Iraq, doesn't mean the rest of the world didn't. Where's the proof? How many people from how many different countries have been kidnapped and/or killed by Islamo-facists in order to get their countries to quit fighting? If you need more convincing about John Kerry and his Catholicism, check out the "Kerry and the Catholic Church" thread. Edited August 3, 2004 by Matty_boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 I saw it yesterday. I found it to be good. Not as bad as all the pro-bush ppl go on about. Some said it gave pictures and left you with questions all the time, there was no such thing, there were a few scenes on sept 11 and the florida school, but he had a lot of evidence to back up most of his stuff, which was surprising. And the part where those marines take down that kids details, when he rejected to joining reminds me of the gestapo :-S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) [url="http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm"]http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-D...renheit-911.htm[/url] Fifty Nine Deceits of Fahrenheit 9/11. Edited August 4, 2004 by Matty_boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 [quote name='Matty_boy' date='Aug 4 2004, 02:16 PM'] [url="http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm"]http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-D...renheit-911.htm[/url] Fifty Nine Deceits of Fahrenheit 9/11. [/quote] wow, i downloaded that, it was really awesome.. do they have the whole thing available for download? i only got the first 15 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Ghost~ Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 It was good as an impetus to get us searching for answers. Whether it is accurate.... that is another question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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