Fahrenheit 9/11

[catholicguy]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jul 14 2004, 12:39 AM']
Hey Jen, I think Pio Nono said something about this in the Q & A. It is, in fact, invalid if a couple gets married with the knowledge they cannot (note: sterility is different from impotence or low sperm count) have kids or they chose not to. Thats contrary to being open to life which is what marriage is all about. So yeah, heterosexual couples who can't have kids aren't allowed to marry according to Catholic natural law. [/quote]
If he said that, it is wrong. Infertility does not mean one cannot be married.

[BeenaBobba]

Hi catholicguy,

I guess I read Rich's post too quickly, so I didn't even see that he mentioned sterility. It was probably a simple mistake on his part (and on my part as well for not noticing it). Heterosexual couples who are sterile are allowed to marry in the Church. On the other hand, couples who choose not to have children (yet decide to marry in the Church anyway) will not have valid marriages.

God bless,

Jen

[Jake Huether]

To expand on that note...

Even a sterile couple (male and female) can be open to life. It is the combination of a man and woman that grants the only favorable environment for life to be created (i.e. sperm, egg, and womb).

A man and man no matter how potent they are can never come together and create life. There is no such thing as openness to life when a man and man come together.

[Oik]

ABORTION:

12% of all pregnancy world-wide are terminated by abortion
An estimated 46 million abortions worldwide a year. Of these, 20 million procedures are obtained illegally
(http://www.agi-usa.org/)

STERILITY

There is a difference between sterility and impotence. While I believe impotence falls under sterility, it is a different situation.

Impotence means not being able to perform the marital act. This is an impediment to marriage. IE if the facilities are not there, there is no way to facilitate.

However, sterility is a situation that leaves the possibility of facilitation.
IE facilities there, but not always facilitating.

"Marriage is for children, its first essential end, but impotency makes this impossible, and so the primary and essential purpose of matrimony cannot be fulfilled." EWTN Q and A Fr.Bob Levis

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 13 2004, 03:30 AM'] maybe I'm dumb, but I have no problem with her using the word idiot in her sentence and I believe you're all just being oversensitive. calm down

It's official, phatmassers are oversensitive. [/quote]
Yeh I got warned for using. Hell. Saying the Queen can go to hell. Yet Enda can call people idiots, I think the rules should be restated and even stricter on this, there are some major double standards appearing.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Jake Huether' date='Jul 14 2004, 12:48 AM']


Abortion / Gay marriage 2004
!ALL THE WAY! [/quote]
Bush/Cheney

War Mongering/War Mongering

ALL THE WAY!

[RemnantRules]

ALRIGHT!

First off, i respect Moore's work b/c let's face it if it wasn't factual he'd be in jail from the Bush admin. for lying so yea but i don't agree with the man.


Second,
Bush has pushed for Partial Birth Abortion Ban if you all forgot and has pushed for the vow of Marriage. It's very simple

Marriage has to do two things:
Unity of the Couple
&
To be openly, willingly, and able to procreate.

So that's it! if you don't have those two things BOTH together then it's not a marriage. And the whole basis of they want the rights as married couples do they do have them by laws put in place for couples.

No where in the constititution does it say a seperation of church and state so with Kerry's obvious stance on Pro-Death and trying to say it's polititical is totally bogus.

Let's face it, yes Bush has done ALOT of shady things through his term but if you look at what he's had to go through, no other President has had to go through what he's had to since FDR when Japan attack us. You may say it's different b/c there was a war going on but WAKE UP PEOPLE! We are in a war right now and there was a war againts us long before 9/11.

With the whole innocent life of an Iraqi or American Soldier compared to an aborted baby is totally way off.

An American Soldier knows exactly what he or she is in for. That is one of the things they give up when they inlisted, and i thank God for men and women like that, i know a few and some are very good friends who are over there. Also, yes their are probably innocent victims in Iraq HOWEVER, if you take a look at a Baby who is still in the womb, where they have no defense, NO say, No will of their own to be able to protect themselves it's hard to say things like this.

Kerry is a hypocrite, he has change his mind with too many things. With Bush again, yes it's awful of what things have come about b/c of him but at the beginning of his term he had to come into an office that was tarnished by the former president, and what he said he was going to do, he did, whether it was good or bad is really up to you all. Plus he had to deal with major crisis such as big as 9/11 and as major/minor in China with the spy plane lest you all have forgotten about that in his early early term in office.


So if out of all of this is just becareful what we say b/c this coming election will be much much bigger than the last one.


God Bless
Jason Gregory

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 16 2004, 05:33 AM'] Bush/Cheney

War Mongering/War Mongering

ALL THE WAY! [/quote]
Hi Morph,

As I've said, I'm against the Iraqi War; however, as I've pointed out, Bush's "warmongering" kills less people than Kerry's support of baby killing. The number of people killed by abortion is astounding compared with the number of people killed during the Iraqi War.

I'd love to hear Kerry supporters explain how killing less than 30,000 people (as in the entire Iraqi War) is worse than supporting the death of 42,000 people [b]daily[/b] (as is the case with abortion).

God bless,

Jen

[Aloysius]

besides, no one has yet to explain to me how John Kerry in office is going to do anything about the Iraq war. John Kerry is simply going to handle Iraq the same way Bush is handling it now. He won't be able to get more foreign support than Bush did, because the foreign leaders hate America not just George Bush. They're jealous of us being the last remaining superpower, and they simply want to see us fail cause they want to be superpowers again. But if we elect George Bush, we'll show them, cuz with George Bush at the helm "we will not waiver, we will not falter, we will not fail"

Pax Christi

[Aloysius]

You might be interested in the USCCB review of it.

It's rated AIII (adults only) and they say his bias discredits him

[quote]Scathing indictment of President Bush's domestic and international policies leading up to and following the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, which attempts to link his family with prominent Saudi moneymen, including members of the bin Laden clan, and which contends that his administration capitalized on the climate of fear following World Trade Center tragedy in order to hoodwink the American public into an immoral war with Iraq. Director Michael Moore walks a perilous line between documentary filmmaking and partisan propaganda, which, though by turns compellingly sobering and engagingly entertaining, presents an unfairly one-sided blame-Bush-for-everything case that fails to take into account wider geopolitical realities, resulting in a manipulative and at times misleading interpretation of facts. A-III -- adults. ® 2004 [/quote]

see the whole review here:
[url="http://www.usccb.org/movies/f/fahrenheit911.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/movies/f/fahrenheit911.htm[/url]

[L5]

I'm not going to see it until the antidote comes out. [url="http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com"]Michael Moore Hates America[/url] is about a guy who tries to track down Michael Moore for an interview to ask him why he distorts the truth all the time.

[RemnantRules]

HAHAHA i like that.

Plus here's another thing. if you all don't want to help this guy out then don't go see the movie.

My grandparents told me that they think this movie is better than The Passion, even though they haven't even seen the Passion, all b/c that The Passion isn't based on Fact, 9/11 is.

:angry:

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='RemnantRules' date='Jul 19 2004, 06:02 AM'] My grandparents told me that they think this movie is better than The Passion, even though they haven't even seen the Passion, all b/c that The Passion isn't based on Fact, 9/11 is.

[/quote]
You should tell them that Jesus' Crucifixion is a historical fact. Whether or not they believe in Jesus as God doesn't matter; the fact still remains that Jesus of Nazareth was sentenced to death by the Romans.

God bless,

Jen

[ProfessorJT]

I look at it like this, any president that is put in office is going to say or do something wrong because, lets not forget, we're all humans. We are not going to agree with everything that that politician is calling for. It is simply our job to make sure we pick the one with ideals close to ours. Plus if Kerry gets into office, he is going to be just like Nixon. He says hell pull the troops out of Iraq right? Well Nixon said hell pull the troops out of Vietnam. Nixon pulled the troops out of Vietnam. But it took two years. I would stay with Bush, I do not agree with everything he states, and everything he is for. But his ideals and values attract me to him much more than to Kerry. So like someguynamedmatt said before. PEACE IN 2004 ALL THE WAY!!!!

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 16 2004, 11:38 AM'] besides, no one has yet to explain to me how John Kerry in office is going to do anything about the Iraq war. John Kerry is simply going to handle Iraq the same way Bush is handling it now. He won't be able to get more foreign support than Bush did, because the foreign leaders hate America not just George Bush. They're jealous of us being the last remaining superpower, and they simply want to see us fail cause they want to be superpowers again. But if we elect George Bush, we'll show them, cuz with George Bush at the helm "we will not waiver, we will not falter, we will not fail"

Pax Christi [/quote]
The only reason people hate Bush more is because he's the one in power and will do all they can to get him out because that will show an exertion of power over America. When it comes down to it, everyone else is jealous over America. We're like the popular kid in high school: everyone likes to be seen around him or her, but anyone would do whatever it takes to bring the popular kid down and become the next popular kid.