little2add Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) "Today… we see a form of selfishness," the pope said. "We see that some people do not want to have a child. Sometimes they have one, and that’s it, but they have dogs and cats that take the place of children." He urged any couple that can’t have children to instead adopt, pointing to Joseph, the "foster father" of Jesus, as an example of the "highest forms of love" that people can attain. "How many children in the world are waiting for someone to take care of them!" he said. He insisted that the process of adoption must also become easier to allow more people the option. Pope Francis, 01/05/22 Pope Francis on Wednesday branded couples who adopt pets instead of children as "selfish" as part of a call to resolve the "demographic winter" that the West faces. Edited January 6, 2022 by little2add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Clickbait Title Level 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I agree. My extended family has quite a few persons that were adopted. Nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, spouses, cousins, etc. The alternative for all these wonderful family members is frighteningly horrific. Adopt. Family is not just biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita92 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, little2add said: "Today… we see a form of selfishness," the pope said. "We see that some people do not want to have a child. Sometimes they have one, and that’s it, but they have dogs and cats that take the place of children." He urged any couple that can’t have children to instead adopt, pointing to Joseph, the "foster father" of Jesus, as an example of the "highest forms of love" that people can attain. "How many children in the world are waiting for someone to take care of them!" he said. He insisted that the process of adoption must also become easier to allow more people the option. Pope Francis, 01/05/22 Pope Francis on Wednesday branded couples who adopt pets instead of children as "selfish" as part of a call to resolve the "demographic winter" that the West faces. It's not "clickbate" Here it is in full, from the New York times! ROME — Pope Francis has not been reluctant to offer his views on polarizing subjects, but on Wednesday, he waded into an issue involving two subjects on which consensus is almost impossible to find. Pets and kids. Speaking on parenthood during a general audience at the Vatican on Wednesday, Francis bemoaned the global decline in birthrates — what he described as a “demographic winter” — and was bluntly critical of couples who prefer to have pets rather than children. People who have pets instead of children, the pope said, were being selfish, exhibiting a “denial of fatherhood or motherhood” that “diminishes us, it takes away our humanity.” “Yes, dogs and cats take the place of children,” Francis said, laying out the harsh consequences of a childless future, including the inevitable drying up of pension plans. “Yes, it’s funny, I understand, but it is the reality.” The reaction was heated. Several people pointed out that the pope had made a deliberate decision not to have children and should have little say on the matter. “Is the Vatican gonna pay daycare?” asked one man. Others noted that Francis was failing to live up to his namesake, Francis of Assisi, patron saint of animals. The pope had already signaled his kids-over-kibbles stance in a 2014 interview with the Rome daily Il Messaggero. When asked whether some in society valued pets more than children, he said that it was a reality that reflected a “sign of cultural degeneration.” “That’s because an emotional relationship with animals is easier, more programmable,” he said at the time. “An animal is not free, while having a child is something complex.” On Wednesday, Francis said the world was experiencing “an age of notorious orphanhood,” that could be countered, in part, by caring for children, either through adoption, or naturally. “It is riskier not to have them,” Francis said. “Think about this, please.” One animal rights group said it wasn’t an either/or situation. “It is strange to think that the pope considers love in our lives to be limited in quantity, and that giving it to someone takes it away from others,” said Massimo Comparotto, the president of the Italian branch of the International Organization for the Protection of Animals. “Perhaps the pontiff is unaware of the enormous sacrifices that volunteers endure” to help save animals, he said in a statement. “Anyone who thinks that life is sacred loves life beyond species,” he said. 1 hour ago, Credo in Deum said: Clickbait Title Level 1000 It's NOT 'CLICKBATE" It was written by Elisabetta Povoledo (who comes out of Rome) and was published by the New York Times! Don't assume it is "Clickbate" material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, nikita92 said: It's not "clickbate" Here it is in full, from the New York times! ROME — Pope Francis has not been reluctant to offer his views on polarizing subjects, but on Wednesday, he waded into an issue involving two subjects on which consensus is almost impossible to find. Pets and kids. Speaking on parenthood during a general audience at the Vatican on Wednesday, Francis bemoaned the global decline in birthrates — what he described as a “demographic winter” — and was bluntly critical of couples who prefer to have pets rather than children. People who have pets instead of children, the pope said, were being selfish, exhibiting a “denial of fatherhood or motherhood” that “diminishes us, it takes away our humanity.” “Yes, dogs and cats take the place of children,” Francis said, laying out the harsh consequences of a childless future, including the inevitable drying up of pension plans. “Yes, it’s funny, I understand, but it is the reality.” The reaction was heated. Several people pointed out that the pope had made a deliberate decision not to have children and should have little say on the matter. “Is the Vatican gonna pay daycare?” asked one man. Others noted that Francis was failing to live up to his namesake, Francis of Assisi, patron saint of animals. The pope had already signaled his kids-over-kibbles stance in a 2014 interview with the Rome daily Il Messaggero. When asked whether some in society valued pets more than children, he said that it was a reality that reflected a “sign of cultural degeneration.” “That’s because an emotional relationship with animals is easier, more programmable,” he said at the time. “An animal is not free, while having a child is something complex.” On Wednesday, Francis said the world was experiencing “an age of notorious orphanhood,” that could be countered, in part, by caring for children, either through adoption, or naturally. “It is riskier not to have them,” Francis said. “Think about this, please.” One animal rights group said it wasn’t an either/or situation. “It is strange to think that the pope considers love in our lives to be limited in quantity, and that giving it to someone takes it away from others,” said Massimo Comparotto, the president of the Italian branch of the International Organization for the Protection of Animals. “Perhaps the pontiff is unaware of the enormous sacrifices that volunteers endure” to help save animals, he said in a statement. “Anyone who thinks that life is sacred loves life beyond species,” he said. It's NOT 'CLICKBATE" It was written by Elisabetta Povoledo (who comes out of Rome) and was published by the New York Times! Don't assume it is "Clickbate" material! As I said the title is clickbait. The title makes it’s sound like the Pope has something against cats and dogs, which he doesn’t. Plus it was a joke so maybe switch to decaf. Edited January 6, 2022 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikita92 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Credo in Deum said: As I said the title is clickbait. The title makes it’s sound like the Pope has something against cats and dogs, which he doesn’t. Plus it was a joke so maybe switch to decaf. Ha Ha Ha! Yeah....NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 17 hours ago, nikita92 said: It's not "clickbate" Thank you Pope Francis brought up some very good points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 So, is the next step putting a stop to all the shaming of people who want to get married in the Church and have children? Or restoring to "observe the marriage laws of the Church" as a precept of the Church? Will this get fixed before I turn 95? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 Pope Francis called upon St. Joseph’s intercession to inspire married couples to be open to life and welcoming God’s gift of children, through birth and adoption. He called the denial of fatherhood and motherhood a greater risk than that of having a child. “Fatherhood and motherhood are the fullness of the life of a person,” he said. Praying for all orphans and those who wish to have a child of their own, he asked for St. Joseph’s intercession with this prayer: Saint Joseph, you who loved Jesus with fatherly love, be close to the many children who have no family and who long for a daddy and mommy. Support the couples who are unable to have children, help them to discover, through this suffering, a greater plan. Make sure that no one lacks a home, a bond, a person to take care of him or her; and heal the selfishness of those who close themselves off from life, that they may open their hearts to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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