Final Solution for 'AntiVaxxers'?

[little2add]

6 hours ago, Nunsuch said:

CDC link

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/590411-cdc-study-shows-prior-covid-19-infection-and-vaccines-protected-against

[Nunsuch]

2 hours ago, little2add said:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/590411-cdc-study-shows-prior-covid-19-infection-and-vaccines-protected-against

This seems to suggest that the data are dated (oops)--that they apply to 2 states during Delta (not Omicron), and do not consider those who have received boosters. So more studies will have to be done to see if this relative protection remains the case.

 

[KnightofChrist]

On 1/20/2022 at 7:19 PM, Nunsuch said:

This seems to suggest that the data are dated (oops)--that they apply to 2 states during Delta (not Omicron), and do not consider those who have received boosters. So more studies will have to be done to see if this relative protection remains the case.

 

An Israeli study, link posted previously, suggested that even a 4th dose was ineffective against omicron.

And while "dated" it's interesting that the data greatly contradicts the COVID Hysteria dogmatic absolutism. Even now the mere suggestion that natural immunity could be equal to or slightly better than vaccine can result in being "canceled", fired, or banned from social media. Especially during the time when Delta was the dominant variant.

[KnightofChrist]

Speaking of data...

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now - The British Medical Journal

"Unacceptable delay

Pfizer’s pivotal covid vaccine trial was funded by the company and designed, run, analysed, and authored by Pfizer employees. The company and the contract research organisations that carried out the trial hold all the data.17 And Pfizer has indicated that it will not begin entertaining requests for trial data until May 2025, 24 months after the primary study completion date, which is listed on ClinicalTrials.gov as 15 May 2023 (NCT04368728).

The lack of access to data is consistent across vaccine manufacturers.16 Moderna says data “may be available … with publication of the final study results in 2022.”18 Datasets will be available “upon request and subject to review once the trial is complete,” which has an estimated primary completion date of 27 October 2022 (NCT04470427).

As of 31 December 2021, AstraZeneca may be ready to entertain requests for data from several of its large phase III trials.19 But actually obtaining data could be slow going. As its website explains, “timelines vary per request and can take up to a year upon full submission of the request.”20

Underlying data for covid-19 therapeutics are similarly hard to find. Published reports of Regeneron’s phase III trial of its monoclonal antibody therapy REGEN-COV flatly state that participant level data will not be made available to others.21 Should the drug be approved (and not just emergency authorised), sharing “will be considered.” For remdesivir, the US National Institutes of Health, which funded the trial, created a new portal to share data (https://accessclinicaldata.niaid.nih.gov/), but the dataset on offer is limited. An accompanying document explains: “The longitudinal data set only contains a small subset of the protocol and statistical analysis plan objectives.”

We are left with publications but no access to the underlying data on reasonable request. This is worrying for trial participants, researchers, clinicians, journal editors, policy makers, and the public. The journals that have published these primary studies may argue that they faced an awkward dilemma, caught between making the summary findings available quickly and upholding the best ethical values that support timely access to underlying data. In our view, there is no dilemma; the anonymised individual participant data from clinical trials must be made available for independent scrutiny." 

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[fides' Jack]

It still remains true that they have not produced a single case in which a non-vaccinated person with natural immunity (due to previous covid illness) got it again and subsequently passed it along to someone else. 

Natural immunity DOES prevent transmission. 

Vaccination DOES NOT prevent transmission OR infection, and it has proven deadly.  

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We have 21,000 cases of myocarditis in the United States that the CDC has verified.  One is too many.  Under no circumstances; under any circumstances, should a young person ever receive one of these vaccines, let alone ever be pressured to receive a vaccine, let alone ever be mandated to take a vaccine.  This is crystal clear.  The FDA agrees.  There can be no controversy over this.

[Dr. Peter McCullough]

Wake up, people.

 

[little2add]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TowerOneTwo]

To add another twist to this thread, what happens if in 5-10 years there start to be serious health problems with people who were vaccinated and boosted? You know what was never studied before being rolled out to millions of people? The effects of 3 or 4 of these doses within 12 months. 

It's already been shown that young men have 15x higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than from the virus.

The CDC has already said that 75% of COVID deaths (!!!!!) involve people with at least 4 known comorbidities. 

The risk of death from COVID is miniscule for the vast majority of the population, and has been shrinking the more data we admit. The risk from the vaccine is also miniscule, but growing the more data we admit. At the very least, allowing people to make up their own minds is not being selfish, stupid, ignorant, foolish, or immoral. Not letting people make up their own minds because we think we already grasp the science, however, may very well be some of those things. 

It's clear there are a few very opinionated pro-mandate people on here that so deeply identify with the pro-vaccine argument that they'd want the fallout on the unvaccinated to be severe. 

Similarly, I know some unvaccinated people that so deeply identify with being anti-vaccine that they want the fallout from the vaccine to be severe. 

We need to step back. We need to want the best for each other regardless of our personal choices. If you're vaccinated, I don't want there to be any side-effects. If you're not vaccinated, I don't want you to die from COVID or lose your job or home. 

Can we agree to be better than the politicians?

On 1/20/2022 at 10:54 AM, Nunsuch said:

Can you provide a CDC link for this, as all the news stories I've seen say the opposite. Thank you.

 

They say the opposite on purpose. I've never seen such egregious science and data misrepresentation as we've collectively seen over the past year. Headlines and opinions inside articles have been completely contradictory of the research the articles are citing since Day 1. It's an abomination of science. 

Here's a perfect example: MMWR, Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity— Nine States, January–September 2021 (cdc.gov)

Article concludes vaccines are 5x better than natural immunity. Data shows 15x higher vaccine breakthrough cases than double infection cases. 

There was recently another article (I can't find it now) that a California institute (UCLA or UC Berkley maybe) showed that hybrid immunity was the best, but then in that article the researcher specifically said, "You can only get this hybrid immunity by getting the vaccine first, not the other way around." --- That's the *complete opposite* of the actual science. Absolute lie contradicting 50 years of known immunology science involving things like innate trained immunity and original antigenetic sin. Bold faced lie that nobody who knows any better would just eat up then go about their day thinking the science has been solved and non-vaxxers don't know the science. It's insanity.

[KnightofChrist]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2020/08/30/could-a-morality-pill-help-stop-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Brave New World

[Ice_nine]

1 hour ago, KnightofChrist said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2020/08/30/could-a-morality-pill-help-stop-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Brave New World

I am much less afraid of a narcissist with wealth and power than I am over people who genuinely want to "make the world a better place" and have the means to do so.

[Didacus]

Anyone following the Canadien-Trucker saga?

How are the news in the US portraying them? Here in Canada most news are insisting they are ignorant racists - its really sad and pathetic on the part of the news really.

[KnightofChrist]

1 hour ago, Didacus said:

Anyone following the Canadien-Trucker saga?

How are the news in the US portraying them? Here in Canada most news are insisting they are ignorant racists - its really sad and pathetic on the part of the news really.

When it is covered by the corporate MSM it's pretty much the same coverage. 

Sending in heavenly armed police to seize the diesel was shameful. Many of those condemning the truckers of violence defended previous protests. Where leftists burned, smash or otherwise rioted. 

Canada's Prime Minister seems to be a coward. Hiding away because he claims to have COVID. 

Shameful.

[fides' Jack]

On 2/4/2022 at 1:41 PM, TowerOneTwo said:

Similarly, I know some unvaccinated people that so deeply identify with being anti-vaccine that they want the fallout from the vaccine to be severe. 

I haven't heard of a single anti-covid-vaccine person saying they wished any kind of harm to vaccinated people, even to those who promote violence against them.  But I've personally been threatened by the vaccinated crowd, and have seen dozens, if not hundreds, of pro-vaccine people wishing harm on the unvaccinated.

By their fruits you will know them.

23 hours ago, Didacus said:

Anyone following the Canadien-Trucker saga?

How are the news in the US portraying them? Here in Canada most news are insisting they are ignorant racists - its really sad and pathetic on the part of the news really.

The media throughout the world are guilty of crimes against humanity.  The lies they spread have made them complicit in mass murder.  They haven't really been sad and pathetic for years.  It's way beyond that now.

I have found it interesting lately that those who speak against conservatives are almost always guilty of specifically what they accuse others of being.  Not just in a general sense, but a very specific sense.  And the more specifically they accuse others, the more obvious it is they themselves are guilty of the precise accusations they throw at others.

To answer your question, the major media corps are very much on the side of the Canadian government.  The media that I watch paint the truckers in a very favorable light.  It's clear who the good guys and bad guys are.

[KnightofChrist]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has suspended civil liberties in Canada. 

His government can seize bank accounts, physical property and individuals for forced labor (example: tow trucks and tow truck drivers) without due process.

Edited February 15, 2022 by KnightofChrist

[Didacus]

Not sure what will happen in Canada/Ottawa next, but it seems the anti keeps rising.

Stay tuned....

[KnightofChrist]

It's too bad that Trump didn't suspend civil liberties, like the tyrant he was accused of being then more people might care. Or if Trudeau was right-wing cracking down on liberal protesters, maybe?

Going after the bank accounts of accused protesters will likely cause lack of confidence in Canadian banks. There's no due process to it, or rule of law, just the whims of those in charge, and will likely balloon to target other political enemies. It is doubtful it will be temporary. And it looks like the Liberal and NDP parties will approve Trudeau's power grab.