rachael Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Maybe they are going about it the wrong way, but they aren't wrong when they say antivaxers are being selfish. Vaccines aren't only there to protect you, but they are there to create a herd immunity. We need herd immunity not so much for religious individuals or for those who feel that we are encroaching on their rights (who can actually receivethe vaccine), but for the most vulnerable of our population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 hours ago, rachael said: Maybe they are going about it the wrong way, but they aren't wrong when they say antivaxers are being selfish. Vaccines aren't only there to protect you, but they are there to create a herd immunity. We need herd immunity not so much for religious individuals or for those who feel that we are encroaching on their rights (who can actually receivethe vaccine), but for the most vulnerable of our population. Well I would not call anyone selfish who still has concerns about the safety of the virus, or even one who has moral concerns about taking it, however misplaced. But yeah it does seem like a good number of those folks are refusing to take it just as some sort of ego gratification by rebelling against the mainstream. I think it’s fair to call these folks selfish since they are only doing it to gas their own heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, rachael said: Maybe they are going about it the wrong way, but they aren't wrong when they say antivaxers are being selfish. Vaccines aren't only there to protect you, but they are there to create a herd immunity. We need herd immunity not so much for religious individuals or for those who feel that we are encroaching on their rights (who can actually receivethe vaccine), but for the most vulnerable of our population. Ok. But you didn't answer the question. No one here has given a straight answer. Why is that? What will happen if a large percentage of the US population (20-40%) is deprived of their livelihoods and casted out of society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Because they refuse to get the vaccine? Welcome to the consequences of your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: Ok. But you didn't answer the question. No one here has given a straight answer. Why is that? Because nobody takes this question seriously. Nobody thinks there is any realistic chance of that happening, so its a waste of time to even contemplate it. You are more likely to get a response if you ask "What will happen if Santa Claus stops delivering gifts this year?" If 40% of the US is "outcasted" by the 60%, the 40% can provide for themselves. Are any of these 40% farmers? Do any of these 40% have land? Do they have guns? Do any of them have the same skills that the people in the 60% have? Your whole hypothetical scenario in which 60% of the US population will be able to drive 40% into destitution is stupid. Edited November 17, 2021 by Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, rachael said: Because they refuse to get the vaccine? Welcome to the consequences of your actions. Still doesn't answer the question. What do you really think the effects will be if 20-40% of people are casted out of society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 They won't be cast out of society. But they will feel the consequences of their refusal to get the vaccine. What are you trying to get at here? This is an action antivaxxers chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakutaku Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: Still doesn't answer the question. What do you really think the effects will be if 20-40% of people are casted out of society? The real effects will be that they get vaccinated and re-enter society. On 11/10/2021 at 4:30 PM, KnightofChrist said: it leads to massive, unemployment, starvation and homelessness. You're acting like this is a genocide, when the problem is only that a bunch of childish people won't take their medicine because its icky. Edited November 17, 2021 by hakutaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, rachael said: They won't be cast out of society. But they will feel the consequences of their refusal to get the vaccine. What are you trying to get at here? This is an action antivaxxers chose. The effects of the mandates will if fully implemented will cast them out of society. They will no have jobs, they will not be allowed to go into public. Still no straight answer. I'm trying to get you to answer, what will the effects be if the mandates force 20-40% of people out of society? It will not only effect the unvaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakutaku Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: Still no straight answer. I'm trying to get you to answer, what will the effects be if the mandates force 20-40% of people out of society? .... 45 minutes ago, hakutaku said: The real effects will be that they get vaccinated and re-enter society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, hakutaku said: .... Doesn't actually answer the question. No one wants to answer the question as asked because no one wants to face the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakutaku Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: Doesn't actually answer the question. No one wants to answer the question as asked because no one wants to face the answer. It directly addresses the question: Q: What will the effects be if the mandates force 20-40% of people out of society? A: The effect will be that the majority of them will get vaccinated to re-enter society. Edited November 17, 2021 by hakutaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: The effects of the mandates will if fully implemented will cast them out of society. They will no have jobs, they will not be allowed to go into public. No, that will not happen. That's ridiculous. Are you smoking dope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said: Doesn't actually answer the question. No one wants to answer the question as asked because no one wants to face the answer. We answered. They aren't cast from society. They are just facing the consequences of their own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, hakutaku said: It directly addresses the question: Q: What will the effects be if the mandates force 20-40% of people out of society? A: The effect willbe that the majority of them will get vaccinated to re-enter society. No, it does not. If someone gets vaccinated they will no longer be unvaccinated. The question is what will happen if 20-40 of the US population remain unvaccinated, and the mandates force the out of society. Good that you do admit they will be casted out of society. But so far the straightest answer you've given is mass deportation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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