Final Solution for 'AntiVaxxers'?

[Nihil Obstat]

2 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

It's too bad that Trump didn't suspend civil liberties, like the tyrant he was accused of being then more people might care. Or if Trudeau was right-wing cracking down on liberal protesters, maybe?

Going after the bank accounts of accused protesters will likely cause lack of confidence in Canadian banks. There's no due process to it, or rule of law, just the whims of those in charge, and will likely balloon to target other political enemies. It is doubtful it will be temporary. And it looks like the Liberal and NDP parties will approve Trudeau's power grab. 

The Liberal party members do not really have a choice. They would likely be kicked out of caucus if they do not vote on the party line. Party discipline is a bigger thing here in most cases, and the PM is a sitting member of the House of Commons and leader of his party.

This is certainly a confidence vote - if it were to be defeated (which it will not be) then the current government falls, so the Governor General would either invite a coalition to form government, or dissolve Parliament and call an election.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Nihil Obstat

[KnightofChrist]

10 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

The Liberal party members do not really have a choice. They would likely be kicked out of caucus if they do not vote on the party line. Party discipline is a bigger thing here in most cases, and the PM is a sitting member of the House of Commons and leader of his party.

This is certainly a confidence vote - if it were to be defeated (which it will not be) then the current government falls, so the Governor General would either invite a coalition to form government, or dissolve Parliament and call an election.

After two years of temporary emergency COVID lockdowns, mandates, etc, how temporary do you believe the Emergency Act will be? How does Canada come back from so easily suspending civil liberties and due process?

[Nihil Obstat]

26 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

After two years of temporary emergency COVID lockdowns, mandates, etc, how temporary do you believe the Emergency Act will be? How does Canada come back from so easily suspending civil liberties and due process?

I do not think this invocation of the Emergencies Act will amount to much. Trudeau is vulnerable (immediately vulnerable to the NDP or Conservatives thinking they can shift the balance of power with a motion of no confidence, or internally vulnerable to his own party deciding that he has run his course as leader), the NDP gains most of what the Liberal Party loses, and the Conservatives are going to be looking to score points during a new leadership campaign. Anyway on paper the Emergencies Act is still subordinate to the Charter, so any oversteps are open to court challenges and partisan sniping.

Most of the provincial premiers very explicitly do not want any federal interference right now, especially in the west. Jason Kenny, the premier of Alberta would love to restore some of his political capital by making a show of standing up to federal overreach, because anti-federalism always polls well in Alberta and he has been extremely unpopular since COVID started. Saskatchewan and Manitoba are similar, Quebec likes to thumb its nose at the Feds whenever they get the chance, and BC is not really in the mix at the moment.

This is a relatively targeted response to a relatively localized issue. In my mind the only interesting open question right now is whether or not this leaves Trudeau more vulnerable to another election. The Conservative Party will be looking to elect a strong leader who can actually move the needle in an election, but they cannot trigger a confidence vote on their own. Plus the entire party membership votes for a leader, so it might not turn out in a strategically optimal way. To force an election we would need the Conservatives, the NDP, and the Bloc to all vote no-confidence, meaning the NDP AND the Bloc would also need to think that either the Conservatives or the Liberals are weak enough to lose seats and shift the balance of power.

Since we literally just finished an election, I cannot see Trudeau calling one himself any time soon and everyone will be rushing to blame everyone else for triggering a new one. So that will have to be framed strategically as well. Everyone who is not Liberal will want to claim that Trudeau forced them into it, while the Liberals will have to claim that everyone else is greedy and power hungry. Trudeau's last snap election was rightly perceived as a blatant grab for more seats, which backfired dramatically, and frankly the only reason he held on to a minority government is that Erin O'Toole was spectacularly uninspiring and managed to alienate everyone who gave him the leadership in the first place. 

Generally speaking in Canada, things just kind of work in practice even if on paper they really should not. We have all kinds of constitutional crises just waiting to happen. Big, serious ones. Quebec has literally never approved our Constitution in the first place. Things just kind of work anyway.

[AVEBVM]

We pool our money and start an island of trads 

[Anastasia13]

My guess is that the people who have to leave their jobs because they don’t have religious exemptions or (hopefully still there) medical exemptions (cause allergies and stuff) is they will face the same things as those who had to leave their jobs to be safer from Covid because of public exposure / pre-existing conditions. Eventually they will get new jobs and this Covid thing will pass.

[Didacus]

On 2/17/2022 at 10:18 PM, Nihil Obstat said:

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Generally speaking in Canada, things just kind of work in practice even if on paper they really should not. We have all kinds of constitutional crises just waiting to happen. Big, serious ones. Quebec has literally never approved our Constitution in the first place. Things just kind of work anyway.

Its high time the rest of Canada make a notion to kick Quebec out of the country.

And I'm saying that as a french speaker BORN in Quebec (nothing there that I brag about).

On 3/31/2022 at 8:32 AM, Anastasia13 said:

My guess is that the people who have to leave their jobs because they don’t have religious exemptions or (hopefully still there) medical exemptions (cause allergies and stuff) is they will face the same things as those who had to leave their jobs to be safer from Covid because of public exposure / pre-existing conditions. Eventually they will get new jobs and this Covid thing will pass.

Covid thing will pass?

Isnt that what Trump said?

There's news saying we are facing a new wave already... On Ontario mask mandates have been dropped yet a bunch of people are still wearing masks in public (so a bunch of people would just love to have the mandates return).  

The mass histeria of Covid, overblown as it has been for most of the Covid history, is not set to pass anytime soon!

(someone, somewhere, has made and keeps making alot of money of this Covid train)

Edited April 6, 2022 by Didacus

[Anastasia13]

8 hours ago, Didacus said:

Its high time the rest of Canada make a notion to kick Quebec out of the country.

And I'm saying that as a french speaker BORN in Quebec (nothing there that I brag about).

Covid thing will pass?

Isnt that what Trump said?

There's news saying we are facing a new wave already... On Ontario mask mandates have been dropped yet a bunch of people are still wearing masks in public (so a bunch of people would just love to have the mandates return).  

The mass histeria of Covid, overblown as it has been for most of the Covid history, is not set to pass anytime soon!

(someone, somewhere, has made and keeps making alot of money of this Covid train)

Re Covid passing. One day it will get better. We are making amazing strides in medical research. Vaccines are getting tested more through time and may be like flu shots, but one day the world will be safer. I don’t think it will happen as fast as Trump made it sound or as fast as many of us hoped, but one day. We are watching it evolve into a milder intensity of disease. Then the long Covid cases will get more recognition, then we will get more immune therapies for it and things will get better. In the mean time, we have to adapt. The world keeps changing, as does the virus, and we follow suit in changing ourselves and how we do things. 

[Dennis Tate]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:58 PM, KnightofChrist said:

What will be done with the so-called  'antivaxxers'? What will be done with them when they are fired from their jobs, when they are banned from society?

How will they pay their mortgages, rent, and other necessities of life? 

When around 40% of the population is homeless and starving, what will be done with these people? How will they be housed, fed? How long will "just get vaccinated" justify efforts to force people to be vaccinated for COVID-19? How far will we take this?

 

Because the truth is finally coming out..... and rather quickly now... I believe that within a year the anti-vaxxers will be respected for their courage.

 

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There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

Posted: February 2, 2022 KUSI Newsroom

 

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Several US life insurance companies have recently revealed an overwhelming unexplained increase (40%) in “all-cause deaths” amongst 18 to 49-year-olds.

 

Three physician “whistle-blowers” have just released real data from the DoD, drawn from the clinical diagnosis codes. The increases found are from 2021, compared to the five year average from 2016 to 2020.

 

Myocardial infarction: 269% increase

> Miscarriages: 300% increase

> Bell’s palsy: 291% increase

> Congenital malformations: 156% increase

> Female infertility: 471% increase

> Pulmonary embolisms: 467% increase

> Neurologic abnormalities: 300% increase

> Cancers: 300% increase

 

As of now, the CDC has not explained this data.

 

Dr. Kelly Victory discussed the surprising findings and respond to those who believe the COVID-19 vaccines have caused these increases.

 

https://www.kusi.com/there-was-an-unexpected-40-increase-in-all-cause-deaths-in-2021/

 

 

[Didacus]

The insurance companies make their living collecting, analyzing and challenging data.  Their databases are likely BETTER kept than medical databases.

If they say there's something strange going on, you can take that to the bank.

[fides' Jack]

On 9/3/2022 at 7:49 PM, Dennis Tate said:

Because the truth is finally coming out..... and rather quickly now... I believe that within a year the anti-vaxxers will be respected for their courage.

Perhaps.  

I do believe the truth will come out.  

I'm looking forward to what comes after that.

[Didacus]

Although the pandemic itself is no longer a day to day concern, the question of the legitimacy of what was lived and imposed upon the general population sets a precedent that should be scrutinized.

Forced vaccinations, if accepted as a precedent, sets a very dangerous path forward.