ryanmeyersmusic Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 this is one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen... it's been assumed for centuries that Michelangelo was a homosexual, should we bleach the Sistene Chapel? just because a person struggles (or even currently gives into their struggle) with same-sex attraction doesn't make everything that they've ever created or been involved with an inherent evil. quit throwing stones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Jul 10 2004, 11:52 PM'] this is one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen... it's been assumed for centuries that Michelangelo was a homosexual, should we bleach the Sistene Chapel? just because a person struggles (or even currently gives into their struggle) with same-sex attraction doesn't make everything that they've ever created or been involved with an inherent evil. quit throwing stones... [/quote] He is gay. His music is gay. Worse yet, his music is some of the most insipid carp infecting the Church today. Quit throwing stones? His lifetsyle has infected his work. Michelangelo? The claims have never been proven, nor has there been much proof offered. Even so, if he was, his work never showed it. I'm afraid the same cannot be said for Schutte. Like I said before, I am not surprised by this news and it explains alot. Quit throwing stones? What stones? Fire away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='pionono' date='Jul 11 2004, 12:06 AM'] He is gay. His music is gay. [/quote] we have come so far... I guess that goes for Michelangelo too with all those paintings of necked-folks :shootme: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Personally, I don't like Schutte's music. Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's gay, it has to do with my opinion that he's a rotten composer. Perhaps a swell lyricist, but I want to shoot myself everytime I have to sing one of his little ditties. But, some people obviously like him. I think it's a shame that he's gay. I am concerned about the double standard, though. I know organists, music directors and other people in church ministries who have been removed from their jobs because they are openly homosexual. Why should Dan Schutte be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Here I am is one of the most obnoxious songs we are forced to sing. It doesn't really have anything to do with the author's orientation. However, it is a valid question to ask if someone living in a relationship contrary to God's law should be filling our hymnals. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 (edited) [quote name='immaculata' date='Jul 11 2004, 12:40 AM'] I am concerned about the double standard, though. I know organists, music directors and other people in church ministries who have been removed from their jobs because they are openly homosexual. Why should Dan Schutte be any different? [/quote] Well he's not a priest anymore. How can the songs of a single santioned priest be thrown out when a large number of our hymns are actually protestant - esp. written during moments in history when protestants really really didn't like Catholics. Today we sing them because there has been some sort of reconciliation and a movement for ecumenism - which I actually sort of agree with reservations - this is why I don't think the argument works. Did he write Eagle's Wings? Edited July 11, 2004 by M.SIGGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Pray for the man. We all have our temptations and shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Michael Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I don't have that bad habit of leaving right after Communion anymore... but if the communion hymn is "Here I Am Lord", I'm sorry, I'm bailin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Besides the fact that this is gossip, and that's a sin: Here's the pages you better start ripping out of your hymnals... A A Time Will Come For Singing All My Days All One People As I Have Done For You B Before The Sun Burned Bright Behold The Wood Be My Refuge Blessed Are You Blessed Are You (Response) Blessed Are You (Baptism Acclamation) Blest Be The Lord C Child Of God's Great Love Christ, Circle Round Us City Of God Come To The River Come Unto Me All Who Are Weary Come With Me Into The Fields Come With Praise D Dayenu Litany E Eucharistic Acclamation Ever On My Lips F For The Beauty G Give Thanks To The Lord Glory And Praise To Our God Glory In The Cross Glory To God Glory To God (Mass of God's Promise) God Of Our Life God With Us God Of Love Gospel Acclamation (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Gospel Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Great Amen (Mass of God's Promise) Great Amen Great Amen (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) H Happy Is The Man Here I Am, Lord Holy Holy (Mass of God's Promise) Holy (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Holy Holy Darkness Holy Is God/Pange Lingua Hosanna To The Son Of David How Long, O Lord I I Cry To You I Found The Treasure If The Lord Does Not Build InThe Morning Invocations To Jesus Christ J Jesus Christ Is Risen Today Join In The Dance L Lamb Of God Litany (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Lamb Of God Litany (Mass of God's Promise) Lenten Gospel Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Let All Who Thirst Let the Valleys Be Raised Let Us Go To The Altar Like Cedars Like The Deer Litany Of Saints Lives Brought Together Lord, Have Mercy Lover Of Us All M Mass Of God's Promise May Love Be Ours Meadows And Mountains Memorial Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Memorial Acclamation (St. Louis Jeusit Mass) Memorial Acclamation Most Holy Night Mountains And Hills My Soul Thirsts O Only This I Want On This Most Holy Day P Pilgrim Companions Profession Of Faith Psalm 150 R River Of Glory S See The Lilies Send Us Your Spirit Servant Song Sing A New Song Sing, O Sing So The Love Of God Song Of Farewell Song Of Mary Song Of Praise T Table Of Plenty This Is The Day Though The Mountains May Fall V Valleys Of Green W Wake From Your Sleep We Beseech You (Solemn Intercessions) We Sing The Savior's Glory We Will Journey In Faith What You Hear In The Dark Where Love Is Found With Drums And Dancing With Merry Dancing Y Yahweh The Faithful One You Are Near Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='pionono' date='Jul 10 2004, 04:27 PM'] "'Here I am, Lord. Is it I, Lord? I have heard you calling in the night. I will go Lord if you lead me. I will hold your people in my heart.' [/quote] Personally, I've never made the connection between this song and the "intrinsic disorders" rights movement, but if the author REALLY took the words "I will go Lord if you lead me" he would realize that the Lord would lead people OUT of homosexual lifestyles, not into them. Another thing: since Schutte is/was in the Jesuits, would the royalties go to him personally or to the Jesuits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 depends on when he wrote the song and who owns the copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 i'm getting "pionono" who is new, confused with "Pio Nono" who is a Church Scholar. At first I was a little freaked out, but now that I know who's who, well, it's still confusing. BTW, I love "Here I Am, Lord". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I wanted to cry when I read this thread! How awful that just becouse God made this man gay people want to take his music out of church. Yes having a partner as a gay person is wrong but it is still no reason to have this hate for him. There are so many other people who have done such worse things yet we don't condem them. This is really a personal problem between him and God, he is sinning but how many of us sin also. I say the one without sin can throw the first stone! This topic really makes me sad, I thought we were supposed to be loving and accepting! :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Many people here just don't like his music, nothing against him. Do you really think God made him gay? I don't hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Jul 11 2004, 11:58 AM'] Besides the fact that this is gossip, and that's a sin: Here's the pages you better start ripping out of your hymnals... A A Time Will Come For Singing All My Days All One People As I Have Done For You B Before The Sun Burned Bright Behold The Wood Be My Refuge Blessed Are You Blessed Are You (Response) Blessed Are You (Baptism Acclamation) Blest Be The Lord C Child Of God's Great Love Christ, Circle Round Us City Of God Come To The River Come Unto Me All Who Are Weary Come With Me Into The Fields Come With Praise D Dayenu Litany E Eucharistic Acclamation Ever On My Lips F For The Beauty G Give Thanks To The Lord Glory And Praise To Our God Glory In The Cross Glory To God Glory To God (Mass of God's Promise) God Of Our Life God With Us God Of Love Gospel Acclamation (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Gospel Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Great Amen (Mass of God's Promise) Great Amen Great Amen (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) H Happy Is The Man Here I Am, Lord Holy Holy (Mass of God's Promise) Holy (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Holy Holy Darkness Holy Is God/Pange Lingua Hosanna To The Son Of David How Long, O Lord I I Cry To You I Found The Treasure If The Lord Does Not Build InThe Morning Invocations To Jesus Christ J Jesus Christ Is Risen Today Join In The Dance L Lamb Of God Litany (St. Louis Jesuit Mass) Lamb Of God Litany (Mass of God's Promise) Lenten Gospel Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Let All Who Thirst Let the Valleys Be Raised Let Us Go To The Altar Like Cedars Like The Deer Litany Of Saints Lives Brought Together Lord, Have Mercy Lover Of Us All M Mass Of God's Promise May Love Be Ours Meadows And Mountains Memorial Acclamation (Mass of God's Promise) Memorial Acclamation (St. Louis Jeusit Mass) Memorial Acclamation Most Holy Night Mountains And Hills My Soul Thirsts O Only This I Want On This Most Holy Day P Pilgrim Companions Profession Of Faith Psalm 150 R River Of Glory S See The Lilies Send Us Your Spirit Servant Song Sing A New Song Sing, O Sing So The Love Of God Song Of Farewell Song Of Mary Song Of Praise T Table Of Plenty This Is The Day Though The Mountains May Fall V Valleys Of Green W Wake From Your Sleep We Beseech You (Solemn Intercessions) We Sing The Savior's Glory We Will Journey In Faith What You Hear In The Dark Where Love Is Found With Drums And Dancing With Merry Dancing Y Yahweh The Faithful One You Are Near [/quote] but i love too many of these songs! were they all done by that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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