The German Bishops

[Peace]

So I have been hearing vague rumors about the German Bishops this and the German Bishops that.

Who cares?

But seriously I don't understand what is going on over there and why people seem to be concerned about it. I haven't been paying too much attention to Germany. What's the deal exactly?

Even more generally there seems to be a thought out there that the Church is headed in the wrong direction, that our morals and theology are becoming a "liberal modernist mess" under PF or what have you. The Church is just hell bent on creating new genders and a three-way marital contract between you, your sister, and your dog.

Is the situation REALLY all that bad as of late, say over the past 10-20 years?

Sure, if you look at Europe I suppose that the situation doesn't look so great. But it seems to me that conservative Catholic faith is spreading quite well if we are looking at the entire world, especially if we are looking at the situation in Africa for example. If you just focus on a few Germans who want to marry their dog or whatever foolishness they are on yeah the situation looks bad, but I think if you are looking at the Church as a whole the situation looks a lot healthier as of late.

[fides' Jack]

43 minutes ago, Peace said:

Is the situation REALLY all that bad as of late, say over the past 10-20 years?

If you believe the words of Our Lord and Our Lady spoken in recent apparitions (unapproved, but not condemned), the answer is yes.  The world is far worse now than it was before the great flood.

I do believe them, which means you probably don't!    We'll find out who is right soon enough.

[Machine_Washable]

On 7/17/2021 at 3:39 PM, Peace said:

So I have been hearing vague rumors about the German Bishops this and the German Bishops that.

Who cares?

But seriously I don't understand what is going on over there and why people seem to be concerned about it. I haven't been paying too much attention to Germany. What's the deal exactly?

Even more generally there seems to be a thought out there that the Church is headed in the wrong direction, that our morals and theology are becoming a "liberal modernist mess" under PF or what have you. The Church is just hell bent on creating new genders and a three-way marital contract between you, your sister, and your dog.

Is the situation REALLY all that bad as of late, say over the past 10-20 years?

Sure, if you look at Europe I suppose that the situation doesn't look so great. But it seems to me that conservative Catholic faith is spreading quite well if we are looking at the entire world, especially if we are looking at the situation in Africa for example. If you just focus on a few Germans who want to marry their dog or whatever foolishness they are on yeah the situation looks bad, but I think if you are looking at the Church as a whole the situation looks a lot healthier as of late.

I have family in Europe and the decline of Christianity causes issues for them. We are only allowed to eat meat slaughtered by Muslims or people of the book. Scholars are arguing whether Europe is still a land of people of the book or a land of kafirs. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Machine_Washable

[Lea]

Hey, German-based young catholic here.

While the vast majority of the population is pro marriage for homosexual couples and a bill therefor was passed in 2017, the majority of bishops is opposed to the idea of marrying gay or lesbian couples in church. 
Yes, they were blessings for those couples recently, insistently against the vote of the Bishops conference. 

But homosexual couples can't just go to their pastor and ask for an official wedding, on the contrary, they see an awful lot of discrimination by church staff [or pity, which is not really better]. 

Sorry to disappoint you traditional catholics out there, but my generation mainly grew up in an open society, sensitive against many kinds of discrimination and does not understand, why people of differnet genders or sexual orientations should have different rights and limits to them. 
And especially not, why discriminations mostly overcome in the "normal" society shold be hold up in the institutions talking about love all the time. 

6 hours ago, Machine_Washable said:

We are only allowed to eat meat slaughtered by Muslims or people of the book. Scholars are arguing whether Europe is still a land of people of the book or a land of kafirs. 

You will get "normal" meat in every supermarket, while ritual slaughter normally is prohibited for matters of animal protection. So this - sorry to say - is an outright lie.

[Machine_Washable]

5 hours ago, Lea said:

You will get "normal" meat in every supermarket, while ritual slaughter normally is prohibited for matters of animal protection. So this - sorry to say - is an outright lie.

Excuse me. What am I lying about?

5 hours ago, Lea said:

You will get "normal" meat in every supermarket, while ritual slaughter normally is prohibited for matters of animal protection. So this - sorry to say - is an outright lie.

Here are two videos showing this disagreement between two scholars. So I am not lying. Why would you accuse me of that when you don't know?
 

 

 

 

[Peace]

5 hours ago, Lea said:

Hey, German-based young catholic here.

While the vast majority of the population is pro marriage for homosexual couples and a bill therefor was passed in 2017, the majority of bishops is opposed to the idea of marrying gay or lesbian couples in church. 
Yes, they were blessings for those couples recently, insistently against the vote of the Bishops conference. 

But homosexual couples can't just go to their pastor and ask for an official wedding, on the contrary, they see an awful lot of discrimination by church staff [or pity, which is not really better]. 

Sorry to disappoint you traditional catholics out there, but my generation mainly grew up in an open society, sensitive against many kinds of discrimination and does not understand, why people of differnet genders or sexual orientations should have different rights and limits to them. 
And especially not, why discriminations mostly overcome in the "normal" society shold be hold up in the institutions talking about love all the time. 

You will get "normal" meat in every supermarket, while ritual slaughter normally is prohibited for matters of animal protection. So this - sorry to say - is an outright lie.

Thanks its good to hear from people on the ground. So the average German bishop actually isn't approving of people marrying their dog. From the way some people have been talking it sounds like ya'll went full Sodom and Gomorrah over there or some ish.

52 minutes ago, Machine_Washable said:

Excuse me. What am I lying about?

Here are two videos showing this disagreement between two scholars. So I am not lying. Why would you accuse me of that when you don't know?

I think she just misunderstood what you wrote. I think she interpreted what you wrote as saying "You can't get regular meat in supermarkets. You can only get halal/kosher meat in stores."

[Machine_Washable]

3 minutes ago, Peace said:

Thanks its good to hear from people on the ground. So the average German bishop actually isn't approving of people marrying their dog. From the way some people have been talking it sounds like ya'll went full Sodom and Gomorrah over there or some ish.

I think she just misunderstood what you wrote. I think she interpreted what you wrote as saying "You can't get regular meat in supermarkets. You can only get halal/kosher meat in stores."

I’m sure she did misunderstand me. My question to her is why she jumped right to accusing me of lying. 

[KnightofChrist]

17 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

For the record here are parts of a letter by Cardinal Mueller. Source: https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2021/07/19/cardinal-mueller-on-the-new-tlm-restrictions/

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"Nobody can turn a blind eye to the fact that even those priests and laypeople who celebrate Mass according to the order of the Missal of St. Paul VI are now being widely decried as traditionalist. The teachings of Vatican II on the uniqueness of redemption in Christ, the full realization of the Church of Christ in the Catholic Church, the inner essence of the Catholic liturgy as adoration of God and mediation of grace, Revelation and its presence in Scripture and Apostolic Tradition, the infallibility of the magisterium, the primacy of the pope, the sacramentality of the Church, the dignity of the priesthood, the holiness and indissolubility of marriage – all these are being heretically denied in open contradiction to Vatican II by a majority of German bishops and lay functionaries (even if disguised under pastoral phrases).

And despite all the apparent enthusiasm they express for Pope Francis, they are flatly denying the authority conferred on him by Christ as the successor of Peter. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s document about the impossibility of legitimizing same-sex and extramarital sexual contacts through a blessing is ridiculed by German (and not only German) bishops, priests, and theologians as merely the opinion of under-qualified curial officials. Here we have a threat to the unity of the Church in revealed faith, reminiscent of the size of the Protestant secession from Rome in the sixteenth century. Given the disproportion between the relatively modest response to the massive attacks on the unity of the church in the German “Synodal Way” (as well as in other pseudo-reforms) and the harsh disciplining of the old ritual minority, the image of the misguided fire brigade comes to mind, which – instead of saving the blazing house – instead first saves the small barn next to it.

Without the slightest empathy, one ignores the religious feelings of the (often young) participants in the Masses according to the Missal John XXIII. (1962) Instead of appreciating the smell of the sheep, the shepherd here hits them hard with his crook. It also seems simply unjust to abolish celebrations of the “old” rite just because it attracts some problematic people: abusus non tollit usum."

Posting this here since Cardinal Mueller directly addresses the practical schism in Germany.

[Peace]

1 minute ago, Machine_Washable said:

I’m sure she did misunderstand me. My question to her is why she jumped right to accusing me of lying. 

Come on man this is Phatmass. I accuse people of lying seven times a day!

4 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Posting this here since Cardinal Mueller directly addresses the practical schism in Germany.

Yeah, by the way Cardinal Mueller speaks, Germany is practically San Francisco.

[Lea]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

Thanks its good to hear from people on the ground. So the average German bishop actually isn't approving of people marrying their dog. From the way some people have been talking it sounds like ya'll went full Sodom and Gomorrah over there or some ish.

I think she just misunderstood what you wrote. I think she interpreted what you wrote as saying "You can't get regular meat in supermarkets. You can only get halal/kosher meat in stores."

Yes, that's the case. Thank you for clarifying @Peace and I'm sorry @Machine_Washable.

Have heard a lot of weird stories of Europe or especially Germany being taken over by muslims and came across some people actually believing it, all too often resulting in disrespectful (to say the least...) behaviour towards foreigners living here without any intention of turning Europe into an islamic empire :D 

[Machine_Washable]

43 minutes ago, Lea said:

Yes, that's the case. Thank you for clarifying @Peace and I'm sorry @Machine_Washable.

Have heard a lot of weird stories of Europe or especially Germany being taken over by muslims and came across some people actually believing it, all too often resulting in disrespectful (to say the least...) behaviour towards foreigners living here without any intention of turning Europe into an islamic empire :D 

Jazakallah. No problem