carrdero Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Whoa whoa easy there people, don't want you to think that I am disregarding the Bible all I am saying is that I have read better books about GOD and soaked in other matters of spiritual TRUTH other than the Bible. I apologize I didn't mean to offend it is just not my era, it is not my interest (in all honesty I do not like war movies either). The times in the Bible are just not my times and it really does nothing to strengthen or weaken my realtionship with GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 the Bible is timeless. the Bible is God's word. the best place to learn about God is through His revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) As Vatican 2 teaches, "Those divinely revealed realities which are contained and presented in Sacred Scripture have been committed to writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For Holy Mother Church, relying on the belief of the Apostles (see John 20:31; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:19-20, 3:15-16), holds that the books of both the Old and New Testaments [b][i]in their entirety, with all their parts[/i][/b], are sacred and canonical because written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author and have been handed on as such to the Church herself. In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, they, as true authors, [b][i]consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted[/i][/b]. Therefore, since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers [b][i]must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation[/i][/b]. Therefore 'all Scripture is divinely inspired and has its use for teaching the truth and refuting error, for reformation of manners and discipline in right living, so that the man who belongs to God may be efficient and equipped for good work of every kind' (2 Tim. 3:16-17, Greek text)." [Vatican 2, Dogmatic Constitution [u]Dei Verbum[/u], no. 11] Thus, all of Scripture is inspired and canonical, and it follows that it is all necessary for our salvation. This means that all that Scripture asserts, whether it concerns spiritual, moral, historical, or other realities, is true, because all that is asserted is asserted by God Himself, who can neither deceive nor be deceived. [cf. Vatican 1, Dogmatic Constitution [u]Dei Filius[/u], chaps. 2 and 3] Finally, it is important to remember that it is a [i]de fide[/i] doctrine that Scripture, in its entirety and in all of its parts, is the inerrant word of God. Edited July 28, 2004 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote]i.e. The Bible contains everything neccessary for our salvation.[/quote] No... where in the Bible is the Assumption defined? It is not; therefore, the Bible does not contain everything we need to salvation, for to reject this doctrine is a mortal sin against Faith for which one is damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 that was his example of the sola scriptura position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Aloysius writes: The Bible is timeless. the Bible is God's word. the best place to learn about God is through His revelation. The best place to learn about GOD is to talk with GOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 11:48 PM'] No... where in the Bible is the Assumption defined? It is not; therefore, the Bible does not contain everything we need to salvation, for to reject this doctrine is a mortal sin against Faith for which one is damned. [/quote] Unfortunately the Holy Bible predates that dogma.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jul 28 2004, 06:44 PM'] Unfortunately the Holy Bible predates that dogma.. [/quote] but not the event... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 (edited) [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jul 28 2004, 04:44 PM'] Unfortunately the Holy Bible predates that dogma.. [/quote] It is clear that oral Tradition predates the written texts of both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Moreover, the texts of Sacred Scripture were written by men inspired by God, who were members of the already existing community of faith; in the case of the Old Testament, it was the people of Israel; in the case of the New Testament, it was the Catholic Church. Thus, both Tradition and the community of faith predate the written texts of Scripture. Edited July 29, 2004 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 the best way to learn about God is to be taught by the Apostles of Jesus Christ (and their successors, the bishops) the best way to get close to God is to talk to God and receive the sacraments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 All of the Bible is neccessary. There may be parts that we may think are "pointless" such as the ages and family lines in the book of Numbers, but they provide a useful family line that can be used when reference is made to different family members in the Bible, and where else can you find the true meaning of Nimrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 29 2004, 05:02 AM'] the best way to learn about God is to be taught by the Apostles of Jesus Christ (and their successors, the bishops) [/quote] True. Unfortunately the bishops here don't do classes, do they in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 well, i was thinking by reading the stuff they put out, the Catechism and such. Catholic Doctrine is the teaching of the successors to the Apostles. it'd be sweet if the Bishops did classes or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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