thessalonian Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Is some of the Bible unneccessary for our salvatoin. Many of you believe that the Bible is a book that contains instructions for our salvation. (to a degree I agree with that) i.e. The Bible contains everything neccessary for our salvation. Now for those of you who believe either in once saved always saved or what I would call eternal security it seems to me few who would be considered "saved" have read and understand the whole Bible. Yet, it is my understanding that you would still consider them "saved". So does that mean that many of these "saving" verses are uneccessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archbishop 10-K Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Well, it's apparent that few Christians, Catholic or not, are familiar with the book of Nahum, or even Leviticus and Numbers. Many Bibles that are distributed are New Testament-only. However, just because we haven't read these books doesn't mean we're not saved. So, I guess parts of the Bible really are "unnecessary." Remember, before 400 A.D., Christians didn't even have Bibles. The Bible did NOT fall from the sky. I don't think anyone's knowledge of the Scriptures guarantees their salvation. In the same way, a Catholic doesn't need to read the Catechism or be able to cite Canon Law or Church Fathers to be saved (but it certainly helps.) However, if you want to have a stronger connection with the Lord, then by all means, read the Scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Well, whether its imprtant or not, its from God, and why would we just throw that away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jul 7 2004, 06:09 PM'] Well, whether its imprtant or not, its from God, and why would we just throw that away? [/quote] Oh amen. The Bible is very important. It is the third leg of the truth that keeps us in the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I don't think I'd say that any part of the Bible is "unnecessary." It's obvious that some parts are more central to the faith than others. For example, it's much more important to know that Jesus died and rose again than it is to know that Paul preached to the Galatians. That doesn't mean that any part is unnecessary though, it all contributes to our faith, it all reveals God as He truly is. [i]Gaudiem et Spes[/i] no. 11 tells us: [quote]In composing the sacred books, God chose men... consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted.[/quote] Everything in Scripture is there because God wants it to be, because it is part of His revelation. In as much as God felt it necessary to reveal these things to us, they are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 According to Luther and Calvin, no, not everything was important. That's why they could throw books out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conservativecatholic Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 [quote]According to Luther and Calvin, no, not everything was important. That's why they could throw books out.[/quote] Amen BurkeFan! I appreciate that people agree with me on that one. The Catholic Church does [u]not[/u] have extra books in The Holy Bible; The Protestants ripped them out. I saw that BIAS BIAS BIAS movie, Luther, and it showed him crumpling up books in the bible that were not originally written in Hebrew. Weird... isn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Vatican II's [i]Dei Verbum[/i] states that the Bible "teaches without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation." This phrase admits of two possible interpretations: (1) the Bible is immune from error in everything it says, and everything it says God wanted there for the sake of our salvation, and (2) The Bible is immune from error in so far as it teaches about salvation, but can err when it treats of other topics. Obviously, the former interpretation harmonizes Vatican II with the larger body of Catholic Tradition, whereas the latter sets the two in opposition. Thus all faithful Catholics should adopt the former. Finally, if even that is not enough to convince the die-hard fans of Fr. Raymond Brown, the Council Fathers let it be known how they intended this phrase to be interpreted by referencing in its footnote various writings of St. Augustine, all of which endorse the total inerrancy of Scripture. So yes, everything in the Bible God wanted there for the sake of our salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Are you including the entire book of Numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 lol well, actually, doesn't scott hahn say that even all those lists of ppl if you get in depth enough means something to us as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 8 2004, 01:08 AM'] Are you including the entire book of Numbers [/quote] The talking donkey scene is one of my favorite parts of the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 If it weren't for Numbers, we wouldnt know why we should care why Methuselah lived to 969 years old or whatever. So YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 In all actuality and someone has done the math. That if the Bible is the place to go if you want to know about GOD only 16%!!!! has any relevant information about who or what GOD is. 16%!!!! The rest is filled with epic battles, personal prayers to GOD, and historical documents. Which if I may say has no particular impact in my life at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 they have no impact on your life? the stories of Israel, God's Chosen People, and the great things God did for them, have no impact on your life? the story of Adam and Eve that teaches us about good and evil (as well as affirm a primeval event which took place) has no impact on your life? what about the psalms, the proverbs, the stories of great man standing up for what is True despite all odds and trusting in the Lord... I'm sorry but not a jot or tittle of those Sacred Words is unimportant. 100% of it teaches us who God is. Even those battles and events teach us about who God is. provide me one example that wouldn't have something to teach you, and I'll try to help you understand that it does have something to teach you (excluding the generation-listing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 16%? That is a ridiculous number, and I'm sure is made up. Every battle, every prayer, tells us about God. All the actions and movements of prophets and apostles tell us about God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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