In this time of Pandemic

[fides' Jack]

11 hours ago, picchick said:

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Can you explain how you mean every living person is an essential worker?

There's only one way to learn to get good at something, and that's by practice, practice, and more practice.

Every living person, except those who should be incarcerated, should have the right to work without being denied that right by the government.  Nobody should be forced to hire them, either, but every single job in society contributes to it.  Take away one industry and it hurts the entire economy.  The only industries that the government should have the ability to stop are those that are immoral, such as pornography or sex trades, or something like that.

[little2add]

The Supreme Court said Wednesday night that NY state restrictions  during the coronavirus pandemic are a violation of the First Amendment’s protection of free religious exercise. After the ruling the Bishop of Brooklyn, whose diocese was a plaintiff in the suit, said that religious worship should be considered an essential during the coronavirus pandemic.

religious worship is essential 

[elizabeth09]

On 11/26/2020 at 4:49 PM, little2add said:

The Supreme Court said Wednesday night that NY state restrictions  during the coronavirus pandemic are a violation of the First Amendment’s protection of free religious exercise. After the ruling the Bishop of Brooklyn, whose diocese was a plaintiff in the suit, said that religious worship should be considered an essential during the coronavirus pandemic.

religious worship is essential 

I agree.

Is going to school essential for kids right now?  I think not.  I think that school should be at home, and online, till the vaccine really works.

[Jaime]

3 hours ago, elizabeth09 said:

I agree.

Is going to school essential for kids right now?  I think not.  I think that school should be at home, and online, till the vaccine really works.

So the taco (so tasty) bell worker and the grocery bagger are essential for our society, but schools are not?  I have a problem with that logic

[elizabeth09]

Schools are importing.  If one person test positive, then it will have be online.  I am thinking of all the grandparents that are living with the school age children that are bring this home.  Is it better for the school age to be online, or going to school where this can spread easily?

On 11/27/2020 at 10:15 PM, Jaime said:

So the taco (so tasty) (so tasty) bell worker and the grocery bagger are essential for our society, but schools are not?  I have a problem with that logic

 

[Jaime]

4 minutes ago, elizabeth09 said:

Schools are importing.  If one person test positive, then it will have be online.  I am thinking of all the grandparents that are living with the school age children that are bring this home.  Is it better for the school age to be online, or going to school where this can spread easily?

 

that is a fair point.  I didn't realize until I researched it that 10% of school age children have grandparents in the house.  That's a lot higher than I thought it would be.  But I don't think it has to be an either or situation either.  90% could attend school while the rest do it online.  I think that would mitigate the damage being done to students (at least a bit)

[elizabeth09]

9 minutes ago, Jaime said:

that is a fair point.  I didn't realize until I researched it that 10% of school age children have grandparents in the house.  That's a lot higher than I thought it would be.  But I don't think it has to be an either or situation either.  90% could attend school while the rest do it online.  I think that would mitigate the damage being done to students (at least a bit)

Or if you living with a person that is high risk.  There is no perfect answer to this all.

[cruciatacara]

You know, you guys, that nothing has to be forever but delaying social contact of any kind can shorten the amount of time that the virus is with us really badly.

I live in Australia where different states have had different degrees of lockdown depending on the number of COVID cases in them. In Victoria here we had a pretty stingent lockdown for weeks-months. We all pulled together to make it happen. And now there haven't been any new cases or deaths in over a month (ZERO) and things are slowly getting back to 'normal' again in this state. In fact, the border between states has been lifted in many cases (some states didn't want to get infected by other states) so now we can travel between states again. We still wear masks near each other, although they are now not required when outside and some of still try to social distance and use hand sanitiser etc, but that is because of caution, not legal requirements. I really don't understand why it should be so hard for Americans to understand that a little pain now leads to a quicker return to normal and less deaths. 

So young kids seem to be pretty much safe from the virus, but the teachers can be older, and all of the relatives at home can be older, so it just seems to make sense to let the kids endure a little more time learning remotely where cases are highest. Kids are resilient - they will survive this - but the attitude of the adults is what will help them most. Make it into a big deal and it will be a big deal for them, but let them know they are helping to protect the lives of others who are more vulnerable, and they will feel like super-heroes! Saving grandma and grandpa and teacher! Anyway, hopefully the vaccine will help us all soon.

[elizabeth09]

Point taken.  I wish that we could do what you are doing.  

[cruciatacara]

Just think of it as 'home schooling' and that should make things seem a little better? LOL

[elizabeth09]

A little better.

[Jaime]

On 12/1/2020 at 8:12 PM, cruciatacara said:

You know, you guys, that nothing has to be forever but delaying social contact of any kind can shorten the amount of time that the virus is with us really badly.

I live in Australia where different states have had different degrees of lockdown depending on the number of COVID cases in them. In Victoria here we had a pretty stingent lockdown for weeks-months. We all pulled together to make it happen. And now there haven't been any new cases or deaths in over a month (ZERO) and things are slowly getting back to 'normal' again in this state. In fact, the border between states has been lifted in many cases (some states didn't want to get infected by other states) so now we can travel between states again. We still wear masks near each other, although they are now not required when outside and some of still try to social distance and use hand sanitiser etc, but that is because of caution, not legal requirements. I really don't understand why it should be so hard for Americans to understand that a little pain now leads to a quicker return to normal and less deaths. 

So young kids seem to be pretty much safe from the virus, but the teachers can be older, and all of the relatives at home can be older, so it just seems to make sense to let the kids endure a little more time learning remotely where cases are highest. Kids are resilient - they will survive this - but the attitude of the adults is what will help them most. Make it into a big deal and it will be a big deal for them, but let them know they are helping to protect the lives of others who are more vulnerable, and they will feel like super-heroes! Saving grandma and grandpa and teacher! Anyway, hopefully the vaccine will help us all soon.

I was listening to a podcast tonight where  Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, two of the doctors behind the Great Barrington Declaration were interviewed.  They make a pretty strong case that prepubescent children do not spread COVID to adults.  They can get it but for some reason only adults are able to spread it to other adults.  So the argument that kids can bring it home to older people in their house is in serious question.   

[elizabeth09]

Could an adult give it to a kid?

[fides' Jack]

8 hours ago, elizabeth09 said:

Could an adult give it to a kid?

I'm sure they can but it wouldn't matter.  Kids are the safest people with this.  The chance they will die from the Wuhan Virus is less than the chance they will be killed in a car accident.  And that fact is using the extremely bloated government statistics.

[elizabeth09]

Okay.  I was just wondering.  Thank you for answering my question.