2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[dUSt]

1 hour ago, Ash Wednesday said:

I've been very happy to see more minority involvement in the GOP. 

John James, a black Republican from Michigan, lost the Senate race to a white Democrat by 1% point. Probably only got about 10% of the black vote too.

[Peace]

13 minutes ago, Ash Wednesday said:

I don't really have any issues with what you're saying, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to try to rope me into a debate, which you have been trying to do throughout this whole thread. And I'm not taking that bait. 

That was just a joke pal.

[Ash Wednesday]

4 minutes ago, Peace said:

That was just a joke pal.

I'm sorry. Times like this are when the internet is not great for communicating. Don't mind me, I had a long week and am just exhausted, so please accept my apology for being peevish.

This board has been the most tolerable place to discuss this so I was just supposed to be briefly passing through and ignoring the housework, to be honest. 

[Peace]

6 minutes ago, Ash Wednesday said:

I'm sorry. Times like this are when the internet is not great for communicating. Don't mind me, I had a long week and am just exhausted, so please accept my apology for being peevish.

This board has been the most tolerable place to discuss this so I was just supposed to be briefly passing through and ignoring the housework, to be honest. 

It's all good. I need to start making better use of the smiley face or the J/K in some of my posts I think.

[Ice_nine]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

I dunno if there is really much to argue. If you look at the data, you'll find that the average black American is more conservative in values than the average white American, on issues like religion, abortion, gay-marriage, and so forth. Yet despite that 90% of them vote for the other party? Obviously the GOP has an issue with black folks that goes way beyond policy.

I think if the GOP just said like "Yeah, in the past we were F'd up towards ya'll. We were wrong, and here is how we are going to try to make amends for it. Here is how our policy will help ya'll" the GOP could make decent headway.

If you think about this more I would ask for more specifics, like who would have to apologize for exactly what. I'm pretty sure if some random GOP politician just came out and said some vague apology that might come out more as insincere and pandering then anything else.

If you're asking a real individual to take responsibility for his/her actions . . . I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Nihil Obstat]

2 hours ago, Lilllabettt said:

My hope is that Biden will be a relatively weak place holder president for 1 term, at which point the Republicans will have reset from Trump and have turned up some fresh non cringe faces.  This election made deep inroads into Hispanic support for Democrats --- it would be effective if Republicans could pass the torch to a Latino.

Give Rubio another shot!

[Peace]

2 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Give Rubio another shot!

Yeah I was a big fan of Rubio back in 2016 before Trump called him "Little Marco" and ruined his life. For whatever reason I feel like his window of opportunity has come and gone. I am becoming a fan of Nikki Haley but we'll see what happens with her.

18 minutes ago, Ice_nine said:

If you think about this more I would ask for more specifics, like who would have to apologize for exactly what. I'm pretty sure if some random GOP politician just came out and said some vague apology that might come out more as insincere and pandering then anything else.

If you're asking a real individual to take responsibility for his/her actions . . . I wouldn't hold your breath.

Nah, they would not be apologizing for current stuff. For current stuff, I think they just need to act normal and choose their words carefully when speaking. Just be like John McCain was. When some quack comes up to you in a Town Hall and says "Obama is a Muslim terrorist" respond with "I'm sorry miss, that is not true" instead of "You know what, I don't know if he is, there should be an investigation."

They would need to apologize all the stuff in the past though. Stuff like Goldwater being against the Civil Rights Act. Reagan and the welfare queens and so forth, just give a real acknowledgment of some of the reasons why the strife between the groups exist, and be sincere about wanting to make amends and wanting to work with a group going forward. I think you would need a major candidate like the presidential nominee or all of the leaders of the party to make it a consistent part of their message for a number of years, to reverse that trend.

Yeah, it can't be like one random person just getting on TV one day and being like "We'ze sorry!" It actually has to be sincere and consistent for a prolonged period I think to get things moving.

[Nihil Obstat]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

Yeah I was a big fan of Rubio back in 2016 before Trump called him "Little Marco" and ruined his life. For whatever reason I feel like his window of opportunity has come and gone. 

That does seem to be the case. It is a cutthroat business.

[Didacus]

17 hours ago, Ash Wednesday said:

People will celebrate a Catholic President who doesn't respect religious freedom, supports abortion, and federal funding for abortion. And what's more, it will futher widespread belief that this an acceptable brand of Catholicism, and as far as they will be concerned, the only people that disagree with this are grumpy, "rigid" fuddy duddies like me. That reality is heartbreaking. I also don't trust a Vice President who views the Knights of Columbus as an extremist group that renders someone unfit to be a federal judge.

But we didn't arrive at this point overnight -- it was inevitable.

On the other hand, Americans are highly reactionary people, and for over 25 years, each presidency has lasted 8 years and has gone back and forth between parties. Trump was a backlash from 8 years of Obama, so on the flip side, at the very least we will avoid the backlash from 8 years of Trump -- I think that would have been potentially horrific, even worse than where we are at now. I don't think this election yielded any clear mandate. I'm certainly not under any delusions that 4 more years of Trump were going to somehow "save" this country. I have deep concerns that go beyond just the next few years.

But as always, God allows everything to happen for a greater good.

My opinion is very close to your own.

I especially dislike that Biden is catholic... 

3 hours ago, Lilllabettt said:

She is a real problem - but her likeability ratings are always underwater. I'll be surprised if she can fix that in the time Biden has before he dies. Voters tolerate unlikeability in male politicians but its deadly for women.

My hope is that Biden will be a relatively weak place holder president for 1 term, at which point the Republicans will have reset from Trump and have turned up some fresh non cringe faces.  This election made deep inroads into Hispanic support for Democrats --- it would be effective if Republicans could pass the torch to a Latino.

Trump already mentionned running in 2024...

[KnightofChrist]

Oddly enough, I lost trust in the US electoral process after Bernie Sanders had both his nominations stolen from him. 

When I saw that numerous states just stopped counting at 11pm est and magical found 100k+ votes at 4am for Biden I knew it was over. No non-establishment candidate will ever be elected or nominated again. 

2 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Give Rubio another shot!

I very much doubt another Republican will ever be allowed to be elected in our lifetime. I could be wrong.

[Peace]

22 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

I very much doubt another Republican will ever be allowed to be elected in our lifetime. I could be wrong.

Keep hope alive!

 

[Anomaly]

2 hours ago, Peace said:

Yeah I was a big fan of Rubio back in 2016 before Trump called him "Little Marco" and ruined his life. For whatever reason I feel like his window of opportunity has come and gone. I am becoming a fan of Nikki Haley but we'll see what happens with her.

Nah, they would not be apologizing for current stuff. For current stuff, I think they just need to act normal and choose their words carefully when speaking. Just be like John McCain was. When some quack comes up to you in a Town Hall and says "Obama is a Muslim terrorist" respond with "I'm sorry miss, that is not true" instead of "You know what, I don't know if he is, there should be an investigation."

They would need to apologize all the stuff in the past though. Stuff like Goldwater being against the Civil Rights Act. Reagan and the welfare queens and so forth, just give a real acknowledgment of some of the reasons why the strife between the groups exist, and be sincere about wanting to make amends and wanting to work with a group going forward. I think you would need a major candidate like the presidential nominee or all of the leaders of the party to make it a consistent part of their message for a number of years, to reverse that trend.

Yeah, it can't be like one random person just getting on TV one day and being like "We'ze sorry!" It actually has to be sincere and consistent for a prolonged period I think to get things moving.

Marco is still popular in Florida. He’s done a great job for awhile.   If a Trump comment ruins his chances, then that just illustrates the potential idiocy of the masses.  

 

Yeah.  As as far as apologizing as a Party for the next decade, it’s never gonna happen.  Partly because people don’t want to apologize for what others did.  Mostly it’s old dead political persons.   Did the Democrats ever apologize for not supporting the 1964 Civil Rights Act AND the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments?   Amendments and Act were more supported by Republicans.    Most of the racist accusations are great political demonization.  

I Look to how people behave now.   If we get stuck waiting on apologies for past wrongs, we’re never getting anywhere.  Acknowledgment and a plan to be fair is realistically possible. 

[KnightofChrist]

6 minutes ago, Peace said:

Keep hope alive!

 

Not sure what you posted but here's what it looks like on my end, not very uplifting lol.

 

[Peace]

35 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Not sure what you posted but here's what it looks like on my end, not very uplifting lol.

 

We have to add some data to your Cricket plan.

42 minutes ago, Anomaly said:

Marco is still popular in Florida. He’s done a great job for awhile.   If a Trump comment ruins his chances, then that just illustrates the potential idiocy of the masses.  

 

Yeah.  As as far as apologizing as a Party for the next decade, it’s never gonna happen.  Partly because people don’t want to apologize for what others did.  Mostly it’s old dead political persons.   Did the Democrats ever apologize for not supporting the 1964 Civil Rights Act AND the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments?   Amendments and Act were more supported by Republicans.    Most of the racist accusations are great political demonization.  

I Look to how people behave now.   If we get stuck waiting on apologies for past wrongs, we’re never getting anywhere.  Acknowledgment and a plan to be fair is realistically possible. 

People have short memories, and the GOP are the most recent offenders in the memory of most black folks. Sure, the Dems practically founded the Klan, but nobody remembers that. That's just how it is. Now, if Biden and Pelosi join the Klan during the next term, things may swing back to the GOP.

I wouldn't say a decade though. I would say one full election cycle of say 4 years would get things moving in the right direction. It ain't like they would have to snivel and grovel in the mud the whole time. I am talking about something like a real recognition the issues that black folks have with the party, and an earnest desire to court their votes and listen to them, not just during election year. Whether that will happen or not, who knows. You could be right in that it never happens. But if it becomes necessary to win at some point, I think you can count on it. Perhaps if the Latino play does not pan out as expected. Ultimately politicians will do whatever it takes to win.

[Didacus]

1 hour ago, KnightofChrist said:

 

I very much doubt another Republican will ever be allowed to be elected in our lifetime. I could be wrong.

For how much longer do you plan ypir lifetime?