Help! X_x

[Maddalena]

I was tyring to explain to a "separation of Church and state" friend why homosexuality is bad for marriage and stuff. She says

"1. not every hetersexual married couple takes the marriage seriously. example: britney spears and her las vegas getup. However, there are homosexual couples that care just as deeply for each other as any hetero couple would. And what about the sterile hetero couples? if they joined to procreate, what about them? they can't. it makes them no different than homosexual couples. but like i mentioned before, i know homosexuals who love God with all their souls, and why shouldn't they not be allowed to form this 'sacred' union? the bible also says you shouldn't eat a calf with its mothers' milk, but we all eat cheeseburgers anyway. the bible says you shouldn't eat any animals from the sea besides fish.. but we love shrimp and lobster. omg we're going to hell. " Help me! X_X

[Maddalena]

Please help me. I'm losing cause I don't know what to say. lol

[Crusader_4]

Okay lets slow down here...

1) In regards to procreation a sterile couple that cannot produce is such because of a disease not an universal natural law. Whereas 100% within the marraige a homosexual marriage cannot produce or be open to life.

2) Regarding what you have mentioned about ancient Jewish Dietary laws they are no longer applicable to Christians. People can make the bible say whatever it wants to say...Interpertation is Key to unlocking the bible and the Catholic church posses this key. I hope this helps i didnt get into much detail i can if you want tho...i can assure you one thing your not going to go to hell for eating shrimp.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Maddalena' date='Jul 5 2004, 04:52 PM']Please help me. I'm losing cause I don't know what to say. lol[/quote]
This topic was discussed in the forum a few weeks ago, so you may want to look through the thread on "same sex marriages," from early June.

Here is a link to that thread: [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13400"]Same Sex Marriages[/url]

Also, I believe that Phatcatholic has information in the Apologetics reference section on this topic, so you may want to look there as well.

God bless,
Todd

[BurkeFan]

Just some things I already had prepared, original context [url="http://www.livejournal.com/users/rightwinger/74602.html"]here[/url]:

Marriage, I believe, is not just a word. Rather, it has a specific nature, purpose and end. It is not, as Kant defined it, a contract for mutual genital stimulation. Rather, it is the union of two people of opposite genders (physically compatible) for the production and rearing of offspring. If this is the case, then, gay 'marriage' as such cannot exist. In situations with infertile couples, the infertility is of an accidental nature to either one or both of the partners, it is not a necessary result of the pairing. That is to say that they could have had kids if not for something (be it injury, disease, or what not) which is not inherent to a person of that gender. However, two men (or two women) cannot produce children for reasons that are not accidental, but are intrinsic to all men, ie, that they are not able to concieve and bear children (on their own). They (the same sex couple together) cannot bear children because of who they are (physically speaking), not because of some other reason. The infertile, male-female couple cannot bear children because of some other reason, not because of who they are (physically speaking).
The differences between male-female relationships are not part of the very essence of a male-female relationship. The differences are due to accidental reasons. I'm using the term accidental to mean those characteristics or features which can be gained or lost without a thing ceasing to be what it is - this is to say that the differences are due to things which aren't a part of or effecacious upon the person's being a male human or a female human. These differences therefore are not equivalent to the differences between a male-female relationship and a male-male relationship. Unless you hold that the difference between men and women is merely anatomical and that, besides from that, men and women are no different, then, and only then, does the equivocation of same-sex relationships with different-sex relationships. Because men are not women, and women are not men, and that the differences between the two go beyond physical anatomy, that therefore the relationships between men and women are not the same as the relationship between two men or two women.
Further, the statement that 'God has nothing to do with marriage' can only be true if either God does not exist. It can also be true in a limited way if God exists in the Deistic sense, that is, as a clockmaker God. However, if God does exist, and exists in the way that Christianity believes He exists, then it is not possible for marriage to have nothing to do with God.

Edited July 5, 2004 by BurkeFan