RemnantRules Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I went to hear a talk from this priest, i'm sorry i don't recall his name but he has talking about being Roman Catholic, and how when we say that it's universal. However, when we say we're american Catholic or just Catholic in general we're taking power out of the Roman part. So my question is do you all feel that there is a segregatoin between nations that our Catholics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I personally feel that many Roman Catholics who consider themselves American do look at themselves as different. I don't blame this on them so much as the type of government they live in, but they believe a different way about the Church and people than do Roman Catholics in say a monarchy. (Read Plato's [i]Republic[/i] for more on this). I guess that pridefully people from one nation can think that they're better than another, especially in religion. But then again, I also believe that this does not describe the whole Church in any way. I consider myself to be Roman Catholic. I don't let my American nationality get in the way of that at all. I let the fact that I am Roman Catholic dictate me as an American, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Well, technically, Roman Catholic isn't the correct term to use when describing all Catholics in communion with Rome. Colloquially, it's used quite often for Catholics in the Western, or Latin, Church. But there are other Catholics who aren't Roman Catholic, such as Melkite Catholics, Ruthenian Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics, et al. -- all of whom are in communion with Rome. So, that all being said, the official term is just Catholic. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted July 5, 2004 Author Share Posted July 5, 2004 But then you get into well are you Roman or Eastern Orthodox? so i believe saying Roman you are pretty general in what you mean. And also i agree with Qfnol in stating that there is a seperation among america and Rome unfortunetly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 [quote name='RemnantRules' date='Jul 5 2004, 04:25 PM'] But then you get into well are you Roman or Eastern Orthodox? so i believe saying Roman you are pretty general in what you mean. [/quote] Hi Remnant, Usually, because Eastern Catholics know that few people know much about them, they'll add that they're in communion with Rome. But, Eastern Catholics have suffered from tons of Latinizations in the past, and they're (rightly, as Pope John Paul II has said) concerned about living out their Eastern traditions and purging the Eastern Catholic Churches of Latinizations. Referring to themselves as "Roman" Catholic would only complicate things. As a matter of fact, many Eastern Catholics find the term offensive simply because it's inaccurate. I don't blame them, as it's really not the correct term. I've gleaned all this from reading Anthony Dragani's EWTN Eastern Catholic forum. Like I've said, Roman Catholic isn't an official term; it's a colloquial one. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted July 5, 2004 Author Share Posted July 5, 2004 awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 [quote name='RemnantRules' date='Jul 5 2004, 04:41 PM'] awesome [/quote] Yep! God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 With regards to the "Segregation" idea, I would like to just add a few further comments. As has been stated before, the "One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church" is made up of many Rites: Roman (or Latin), Ambrosian, Ruthenian, Melkite, Mozarabic, Coptic, and many others. In cases such as these, I do not feel like there is a seperation or division, but rather, I feel the opposite. The existance of the differing Rites of the Church simply shows that the Catholic Church is truly the one Universal Church. It spans the world and brings the traditions of countless cultures to itself. Moreover, no one Rite is better or worse than the rest, and all are moved by the same Holy Spirit. In the case of "American Catholic," "Latin American Catholic," or any non-Rite description, I agree that it is unnecessary. To be a catholic in America or in England or in France is still to be a Catholic. Remember, we are called to be strangers traveling in a foreign land. Our only home is Christ's Church. Thank God it is truly Universal - Your Brother in Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 'Roman' Catholic was a term that came from Anglican Catholics (not in union with the Pope) who wanted to make it seem that the Catholics in union with the Pope held another nation (Rome or Italy) higher than their own (England or Great Britain). The most proper term for 'Roman Catholic' is 'Latin Rite Catholic.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Wouldn't we all be Roman, no matter which rite we're in? All rites are loyal to the Pope in Rome. Most of us just happen to be in the Latin Rite. Therefore we would all be Roman Catholics, 'cause that's where all of our authority is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I just found out that most are part of the Roman Rite of the Latin Rite of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 we [i]follow [/i]the Latin Rite. You could say we are members of the Latin Rite, but that's funky to me, it's more that we follow the Latin Rite as members of the Latin Church which is in communion with all the other Churches under their respective patriarchs (ours being the Pope himself, aren't we lucky?) and all under the Pope (haha, Patriarch John Paul II is under Pope John Paul II theoretically). The Latin Church follows the Latin Rite. Perhaps that just confuses it, whateva. talking about Rites is fun cause it's all a bunch of wordplay and 9 times out of 10 I get at least one bit of the terminology wrong Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 when it all comes down to it the typical Catholic on the street is going to say either two things i'm a Catholic or i'm a Roman Catholic. But we must understand that Roman Catholic is putting us back to the first church, in Rome and we are connected to that church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 7 2004, 12:55 AM'] Wouldn't we all be Roman, no matter which rite we're in? All rites are loyal to the Pope in Rome. Most of us just happen to be in the Latin Rite. [/quote] Hi Zach, To answer your question -- no. We're all Catholics in communion with Rome. I'm Latin, or Roman, Catholic because I was baptized in the Latin Church. Apotheoun, for example, is Ruthenian Catholic because he is, canonically, a member of the Ruthenian Catholic Church. Both Apotheoun and I, however, are in communion with Rome. Saying "Latin Catholic" or "Melkite Catholic" stresses the universality of the Church. A lot of people are surprised to learn that the Catholic Church is composed of something like 22 Churches in communion with Rome. I can see what you mean when you use the term Roman Catholic, but the term is inaccurate, as the Latin Church is just one of many in the Catholic Church. Roman Catholic isn't an official term. Well, it [i]sort of[/i] is. It's only used in official documents regarding the Diocese of Rome. The Catholic Church is always referred to as the Catholic Church -- as opposed to the Roman Catholic Church. I think it's best to be accurate. God bless, Jen P.S. I hope this post didn't come across rudely. I didn't mean to be harsh or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 LoL, it's all cool with me. All I saw was confusing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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