Pro-life Supreme Court justice = Not voting for Trump

[Peace]

1 hour ago, little2add said:

Bottom line:

abortion is a gravely serious evil, and as such is never to be supported.

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True, but Donald Trump supports abortion rights in the case of rape and incest. Did you vote for him, or a candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances?

[little2add]

10 hours ago, Peace said:

True, but Donald Trump supports abortion rights in the case of rape and incest. Did you vote for him, or a candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances?

Your reply is invalid, mr. straw dog

[Peace]

On 11/2/2020 at 5:40 AM, little2add said:

Your reply is invalid, mr. straw dog

Mr. Straw Dog. That's a great nickname. I love it!

It is clear as day that Mr. Trump supports abortion rights in the case of rape and incest, which the Church prohibits.

How is my reply invalid?

[tate4242]

On 9/22/2020 at 1:42 PM, dUSt said:

So, I have a theory.

One of the only lingering justifiable reasons I had for voting for Trump would be his likelihood of putting a pro-life justice in the supreme court.

Ironically, if he DOES succeed at this before the election, I wouldn't have much of a reason to vote for him anymore.

If, for some reason, they aren't able to get a pro-life justice in before the election, it might actually persuade me to begrudgingly vote Trump--for this one specific reason.

Kinda weird to think that it may actually be better for Trump if the Democrats are successful at stalling the nomination.

 

Your idea of having the profile "dUst" deleted or banned is brilliant.........  Did you guess that some of us would be curious and would go and find some of your threads and resurrect them just like zombie's??????????


BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????  YUM!!!!!!

1 hour ago, Peace said:

Mr. Straw Dog. That's a great nickname. I love it!

It is clear as day that Mr. Trump supports abortion rights in the case of rape and incest, which the Church prohibits.

How is my reply invalid?

Does President Trump support these rights.... .or simply permit them?????

 

There is a difference... for example G-d supported the right of Adam and Eve to make a huge error in Eden but.......... or we could say that he permitted them to choose death...... but that does not mean that G-d encouraged Adam and Eve to make that terrible choice.  

[Peace]

30 minutes ago, tate4242 said:

Does President Trump support these rights.... .or simply permit them?????

Every pro-life person calls that a distinction without substance. If you wanted to repeal the laws against rape, would anyone care that you "simply permit rape" but do not support or encourage people to rape?

30 minutes ago, tate4242 said:

There is a difference... for example G-d supported the right of Adam and Eve to make a huge error in Eden but.......... or we could say that he permitted them to choose death...... but that does not mean that G-d encouraged Adam and Eve to make that terrible choice.  

Bad analogy.

[tate4242]

Then take a look at the question "is it lawful on the Sabbath day to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill" and then read I Machabees chapter two........ and then think???????????   And then pray...... and then think some more........!

[Credo in Deum]

On 11/1/2020 at 4:06 PM, Peace said:

True, but Donald Trump supports abortion rights in the case of rape and incest. Did you vote for him, or a candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances?

Is there another candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances? If there is then that person should be sought out.  If not then the candidate who furthers the pro-life cause would be the next moral choice even if they do not do so perfectly.
 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Credo in Deum

[tate4242]

1 minute ago, Credo in Deum said:

Is there another candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances? If there is then that qp

 

In my opinion President Trump over these next four years may well attempt to expand a woman's range of choice so that she feels much less economic pressure toward having an abortion no matter how the pregnancy was caused and with whom?



 

[Peace]

27 minutes ago, Credo in Deum said:

Is there another candidate who is pro-life in all circumstances?

I believe that the ASP candidate is, as that is part of the party platform and he has not stated otherwise (to my knowledge).

27 minutes ago, Credo in Deum said:

If there is then that person should be sought out.

Not necessarily. A person could vote for Trump, for example, if he believed that Trump was electable but the ASP candidate had no realistic chance of being elected. That is an example of "proportionality" and nearly every Catholic Trump voter employs it. Many of them will not admit it, however.

44 minutes ago, tate4242 said:

Then take a look at the question "is it lawful on the Sabbath day to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill" and then read I Machabees chapter two........ and then think???????????   And then pray...... and then think some more........!

Yeah I don't even know where you are going with this. If you have a point please feel free to explain it in explicit terms. I'd be happy to consider it then.

[Credo in Deum]

42 minutes ago, Peace said:

I believe that the ASP candidate is, as that is part of the party platform and he has not stated otherwise (to my knowledge).

Not necessarily. A person could vote for Trump, for example, if he believed that Trump was electable but the ASP candidate had no realistic chance of being elected. That is an example of "proportionality" and nearly every Catholic Trump voter employs it. Many of them will not admit it, however.

 

I didn't see the ASP party on my ballot.  There was only Republican, Democrat, Green, and Libertarian party. 

[Peace]

10 minutes ago, Credo in Deum said:

I didn't see the ASP party on my ballot.  There was only Republican, Democrat, Green, and Libertarian party. 

I think they were only on a few state ballots this year, but had write-in approval in most of the states.

[Credo in Deum]

42 minutes ago, Peace said:

I think they were only on a few state ballots this year, but had write-in approval in most of the states.

Ah.  Well I will be looking for their development as the years go on.  I read a CNA article about them and they didn't expect to win, however, I did agree with their position that voting form them was not necessarily throwing your vote away.  If a third party received a good number of votes then that could potentially prompt larger parties to re-think their stances on certain issues at the very least.  I've always felt this two-party system bs has been on of the biggest obstacles to meaningful change in the U.S. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Credo in Deum

[Anomaly]

1 hour ago, Credo in Deum said:

Ah.  Well I will be looking for their development as the years go on.  I read a CNA article about them and they didn't expect to win, however, I did agree with their position that voting form them was not necessarily throwing your vote away.  If a third party received a good number of votes then that could potentially prompt larger parties to re-think their stances on certain issues at the very least.  I've always felt this two-party system bs has been on of the biggest obstacles to meaningful change in the U.S. 

Actually, the two party system is fine.   It does provide two opinions a powerful voice.   The problem is ignoring these issues at the grassroots level and local politics.    

Support the ASP party and other issues next week after this presidential election.  Governors, mayors, state legislatures and local governments have a lot to say on local policy that form the foundation of the national party platform.   

Thats where pro-life Democrats can be elected or someone who doesn’t support abortion on demand while also demanding personal responsibility.   It really is bottom up policy.  

[Anomaly]

Harping on the need to pay attention and participate in politics beyond the presidential race. 

Did you know that some states have passed legislation or constitutional amendments stating that abortion is not a right and cannot be funded by state funds?    Louisiana just passed one this election while Colorado measure to restrict abortion failed.   

That also points to the problem with legislation that does not make allowances for rape or incest, because there is the right of the woman’s where the pregnancy was forced on her.   Big difference than abortion on demand for convenience.  

Pay attention to State races and candidates that are pro life, and ones that aren’t.  

[Jaime]

On 11/3/2020 at 2:24 PM, Anomaly said:

Actually, the two party system is fine.   It does provide two opinions a powerful voice.   The problem is ignoring these issues at the grassroots level and local politics.    

Support the ASP party and other issues next week after this presidential election.  Governors, mayors, state legislatures and local governments have a lot to say on local policy that form the foundation of the national party platform.   

Thats where pro-life Democrats can be elected or someone who doesn’t support abortion on demand while also demanding personal responsibility.   It really is bottom up policy.  

Democrat John Deberry represented his district in the House for 26 years.  Because he was vocal about his pro-life stance and Justice Barrett, he was let go from the Democratic Party 1 day after he could have filed as an independent.  The state adjusted the rules so he could file and he lost to a pro-choice Democrat.  I wish the Democratic Party allowed Pro-life democrats.  But they’ve made it clear that this is no longer allowed