Beware of Bishop Schneider

[Anastasia]

I feel that the description of my experience with “trousers” and the very conservative Orthodox church somehow obliterated much more important things I tried to say above it.

Because I have lived in both Orthodox and Catholic Churches (i.e. worshiped and received communion) I have observed many parallels, with the unique flavors of course. The simplest example: there are endless discussions about the goodness of a headscarf on both Orthodox and Catholic forums. Orthodox discuss if a woman must wear a headscarf all the time, Catholics – something similar I guess, I do not remember. There are also notorious discussions, in the Orthodox church, of the bar code or a biomentic passport as a seal of Antichrist and so on.

Yet, when the lock down of the Churches took a place, I noticed that the majority of those who spoke against it were “traditionalists” or “very conservative” in their liturgical approach. “Liberals” (I think Zita, the author of article above is a liberal) somehow very easily gave into the definition of their Churches as “non-essential”.

While I do not believe in a particular grace given by a headscarf, I think a pious attitude (against which Zita was speaking, like an expectation to kneel during Mass) may ensure that the Liturgy and Holy Communion are very serious matter. I think it is more difficult to give up something that is above you. If you kneel before God in a church or prostrate yourself many times then it is quite clear that you are not in a club or a pub… and then you simply do not feel that you have a right to give up Eucharist and God easily.

[Anastasia]

Putting it here because the Bishop's name is on the petition as well

WORSE THAN DEATH: A Pandemic Warning from Cardinals Zen, Müller, Abp. Viganò

"ROME – Cardinals Joseph Zen and Gerhard Müller have joined with Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò in launching an appeal to governmental leaders to respect people’s inalienable rights and fundamental freedoms in light of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Titled “An Appeal for the Church and the world,” the three-page document (see full text below) was released in six languages on Thursday, May 7 at 7:30, local-time Rome.

Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan, have also put their names to the appeal, together with an international group of bishops."

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4881-worse-than-death-a-pandemic-warning-from-cardinals-sarah-mueller-zen-abp-vigano

I do not have a "remnant's mentality" and I haven't look closely into that yet. Here is the link to the actual Petition

APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD
to Catholics and all people of good will

http://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/

[Lea]

I consider myself a catholic and person of good will, but I'm also an aspiring scientist and this petition is the essence of cow and even worse, it's dangerous. 

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[Ice_nine]

Josh, you seem to be spiraling bro, make sure you're getting enough vitamin-d. Probably stay off of twitter for a bit too.

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10 minutes ago, Ice_nine said:

Josh, you seem to be spiraling bro, make sure you're getting enough vitamin-d. Probably stay off of twitter for a bit too.

Sorry did I ruin your conspiracy theories? I get plenty of vitamin D.

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7 hours ago, Delivery said:

 

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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/fact-checking-judy-mikovits-controversial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral#

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[Anastasia]

13 hours ago, Lea said:

I consider myself a catholic and person of good will, but I'm also an aspiring scientist and this petition is the essence of cow and even worse, it's dangerous. 

I happened to discuss it with someone who is a scientist and Eastern Orthodox. He did not say anything about the scientific aspect of it but commented on  somewhat pompous intonation of the appeal (I agree). This is why I did not sign. Together we agreed that the whole thing could be much shorter and much more effective.

 

[Anastasia]

I very much appreciated the talks of Dawn Eden on child sexual abuse and violence and on finding healing in God.

What she said against Vagano (whose many views I do not like) are only her “it is rubbish” against his. He believes the 3d secret of Fatima has never been revealed – she believes it is nonsense. The same goes about COVID-19 that can be used by some powers to establish the totalitarian regime of a total control. She has a total trusts in the state governments' pure intentions and Vagano does not. Again, it is personal.

I think people read the Appeal, research, think and make their personal choice but I do not think the heated opinions of someone regarding another person, not his ideas are helpful.

Personally, being born in the Soviet Union, living it times of “while capitalism” and then in so-called “civilized capitalism” I find it laughable that anyone would have a trust in pure intentions of the state governments whatever they are. The whole human history shoes the struggle of the top to establish a control over an individual and turn him or her into just a bolt in a system. So, it is given that anything can be used by some “powers” to gain more control. 

But I honestly do not understand why to discuss people (Vagano etc) instead or criticism his or anyone else ideas. Perhaps because it is much easier to call someone "idiot" than to destroy his argument.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Anastasia

[Lea]

12 hours ago, Anastasia said:

I happened to discuss it with someone who is a scientist and Eastern Orthodox. He did not say anything about the scientific aspect of it but commented on  somewhat pompous intonation of the appeal (I agree). This is why I did not sign. Together we agreed that the whole thing could be much shorter and much more effective.

 

I just think conspiration theories are never, ever helpful and this pamphlet includes a whole bunch of them. (Pompous intonation is a good sign for conspiration theories as well.)

11 hours ago, Anastasia said:

Personally, being born in the Soviet Union, living it times of “while capitalism” and then in so-called “civilized capitalism” I find it laughable that anyone would have a trust in pure intentions of the state governments whatever they are.

And by the way I also do have trust in my governments intentions, probably because I am politically active myself. We're not all corrupt  What certainly does not mean I agree with each of it's decisions of course and yes, lobbyists paid by very wealthy industries know the game as well. 

[Anastasia]

7 hours ago, Lea said:

We're not all corrupt

Of course, not all are corrupt – although, metaphysically speaking, it is not completely true because we are all corrupted by the original sin and our own sins. An example: to make a vaccine to save the lives is good, to make it with the stem cells is not but it is being done and it is extremely difficult to explain to many (most even) why. It is a very dramatic example but it illustrates how the best human intentions can make the whole affair evil if they are unenlightened by Christ.

My conviction is that anyone (me included) is capable of the vilest evil unless a total surrender to Christ takes a place. This is why I do not exclude the possibility of what was said in the Appeal – only a possibility, remote perhaps but still something to be aware.  

[Ice_nine]

On 5/10/2020 at 5:28 PM, Delivery said:

Sorry did I ruin your conspiracy theories? I get plenty of vitamin D.

Yes, but also, the twitter dumps make you appear like a ranting maniac.

 

But live yo life.

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3 minutes ago, Ice_nine said:

Yes, but also, the twitter dumps make you appear like a ranting maniac.

TBH I probably am. I do appreciate the concern. Also Dust changed my religion to Non-Denominational so I can nolonger post images.

 

5 minutes ago, Ice_nine said:

But live yo life.