Church position on angel cards

[Adviser/asker]

Are oracle cards/angel cards forbidden? I am not talking about tarot. I am talking about those cards that bring messages from the angels. I don’t understand what’s wrong with them as angels are good and are servants of God and trusting them is trusting God. I understand that demons can pretend to be angels, but if you surround yourself with holiness and explicitly state that you want to speak to God and angels and that demons must leave, where is the danger? Thank you! 

[Guest]

2 Corinthians Chapter 11 "And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light."

 

[Adviser/asker]

Barbara Therese But if you tell the demons to leave, won’t they be forced to? 

2 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

2 Corinthians Chapter 11 "And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light."

 

But if you tell the demons to leave, won’t they be forced to? 

[KnightofChrist]

A demon who wears the mask of an Angel is still a demon. Evil does not become good because it takes on the appearance of good.

Oracle: a priest or priestess acting as a medium through whom advice or prophecy was sought from the gods in classical antiquity.

The use of tarot or oracle cards is wicked. The face on the card doesn't matter. What does God need from magic cards? He has spoken through the Prophets, Saints, and First and Last our Lord Jesus Christ.

“All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone” (#2116)

Edited March 5, 2020 by KnightofChrist

[Adviser/asker]

Knight of Christ. But what if you tell the demons to go and that you will only speak to the angels? 

[Luigi]

46 minutes ago, Adviser/asker said:

Knight of Christ. But what if you tell the demons to go and that you will only speak to the angels? 

It's not usually as simple or effective as that. Read up on exorcism.

[MIKolbe]

49 minutes ago, Adviser/asker said:

Knight of Christ. But what if you tell the demons to go and that you will only speak to the angels? 

are you saying you have power over demons? Are you willing to do evil so good may come from it?

[Luigi]

@Adviser/asker - Personally, I'd never heard of angel cards until you mentioned them here. My question to you is, "Why do you even need them?" You can pray directly to your guardian angel, you can ask your guardian angel to pray with you, you can pray to Sts. Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael, and to all the angels, and to all the saints, and to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and God the Father.

So what's the benefit of those cards? Do they give you a concrete 'message' for the day? Do you feel like you're not getting a concrete 'message' from God (or the saints or angels) when you pray?

I'm not accusing you or anything, I'm just curious.

[KnightofChrist]

2 hours ago, Adviser/asker said:

Knight of Christ. But what if you tell the demons to go and that you will only speak to the angels? 

How can you summon demons and then ask them to leave when they show up? It is not a duty of Angels to speak to us through magic cards.

As the Catechism teaches we can have no recourse to mediums to reveal future events. God alone knows the future, God alone and on His own deems who He will reveal it to and who will be His messenger. He has NEVER spoken through magic cards, not now, not ever.

The answer you claim to seek is, No, you may not use oracle cards for the sake of your own soul and the souls of others whom you may mislead.

 

Can you post an example of a "angel card"? 

[Guest]

These latest fads re angels is very much new age and can be dangerous spiritually - if it was as easy as telling satan to leave, we would not need specialised exorcists.  Satan is a liar and the father of liars.  One could tell satan to leave and it would seem to leave but in fact be very much still present.  If you told satan to leave, how would you know that it had left?  Why on earth flirt with something known to be a medium for satan?

What you are fooling around with is dangerous and as Scripture tells us: 2 Corinthians Chapter 11 "And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light."  The Church speaks loudly against these practises.  Catholic Catechism: "Divination and Magic" http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a1.htm#2116

If one "surrounds oneself with holiness" as you wrote in your opening post but have no trust in Divine Providence , one can only very much doubt that you are surrounding yourself with holiness, but rather perhaps being deceived.

On 3/4/2020 at 5:17 PM, Adviser/asker said:

where is the danger? Thank you! 

You wrote the above in your opening post, is not The Church's dire warning and Her doctrine of Divine Providence against such practises sufficient for you that you need to seek"messages from the angels"?  Seeking messages from angels and promoting such a practise is occult and heretical, alarmingly and decidedly spiritually dangerous.

20 hours ago, Adviser/asker said:

Barbara Therese But if you tell the demons to leave, won’t they be forced to? 

But if you tell the demons to leave, won’t they be forced to? 

No

Edited March 6, 2020 by BarbaraTherese

[Adviser/asker]

Luigi I feel quite satisfied by what God gives me through religion and don’t feel that I need angel cards. I am just intrigued by angel cards and want to see if they work. I also appreciate their beauty and feel that it’s a waste not to use them. 

KnightofChrist Thank you for your answer. It makes perfect sense. I would love to send a picture of an angel card, but I don’t know how to send pictures. Do you know how? 
 

 

[Adviser/asker]

Barbara Therese Thank you. I understand and agree, though I do have a few questions, to avoid being deceived in the future. First of, surrounding yourself in holiness is trust in divine providence as you are asking divine providence to protect you. So where is the harm. I know there is harm, but I don’t understand why. 
 

Also, why is it sinful if the angel is Satan? If you think you are communicating with an angel of light and that the angel tells you orthodox things, why is the fact that it’s actually Satan, a sin? 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Adviser/asker said:

Barbara Therese Thank you. I understand and agree, though I do have a few questions, to avoid being deceived in the future. First of, surrounding yourself in holiness is trust in divine providence as you are asking divine providence to protect you. So where is the harm. I know there is harm, but I don’t understand why. 
 

Also, why is it sinful if the angel is Satan? If you think you are communicating with an angel of light and that the angel tells you orthodox things, why is the fact that it’s actually Satan, a sin? 

Hi again Adviser/asker...........In answer to your first paragraph, trust in Divine Providence certainly depends on/presupposes and proclaims obedience to God through His Church.  You can read about Divine Providence in the Catechism HERE - scroll down to : "V. GOD CARRIES OUT HIS PLAN: DIVINE PROVIDENCE", which explains God's Direct and His Permissive Will.  The protection Divine Providence offers is understanding that nothing is outside the ambit of His Will either His Direct Will in what is good and Permissive Will in what is not good.  Divination and such things as new age type teachings about angels are contrary to the virtue of religion.  You can read about "Magic and Divination" HERE - scroll down to #2115 MAGIC AND DIVINATION.

Responding to your second paragraph.  New age type teachings about angels, angel cards etc. etc., is sinful because The Church teaches it is sinful and contrary to the virtue of religion and what we owe to God.  Once I understand this, I cannot claim inculpable ignorance of the fact that The Church teaches such things are sinful.  It could even be an issue of grave matter and the first condition for mortal sin.

You are in an extremely dangerous spiritually area.  I had a look at your profile and it states you are Catholic; therefore, I am presuming you desire to be obedient to what The Church teaches and why (but not only why) I have pointed out what the Catechism has to state.

5 hours ago, Adviser/asker said:

I know there is harm, but I don’t understand why. 

Because it is a channel for satan and so presents extreme spiritual danger. 

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I am curious.  What does "adviser" mean in your screen name.

[Guest]

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Can satan use what appears as beauty to a person as a means of tempting and attracting a person? - of course that beast can and it does..  It knows what attracts and what repulses amongst many other things and its intelligence is far above ours.  We do well in humility and prudence, common sense, to abide by what The Church teaches and especially about satan for one only. 

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 https://catholicexchange.com/catholic-response-demonic-seductions  ..........."............Curiosity has been the downfall of many people since the ancient serpent’s temptation to Adam and Eve. “The serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field the Lord had made” (Gen. 3:1). In the Garden of Eden, the serpent’s tactic was multifaceted: 1) suspicion of God’s goodness, 2) curiosity for hidden knowledge to become like God, 3) lead to disobedience.

The ancient serpent hasn’t changed his ways. He’s keenly aware of our fallen nature that reaches for forbidden fruit. A partial list of common demonic temptations include: curiosity about the future, hidden or secret knowledge, power or unbridled control, disordered indulgence of the senses, disobedience to God’s law of love, deceit, attachment to carnal, material things, and the seven capital sins: pride, envy, lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, and anger. Satan tempts to destroy. Christ tests to give the crown.

Efforts to soften or deny the continuous threat of the devil have left too many Catholics unprepared and unarmed. On the opposite extreme, we must not blame the devil for everything or see Satan everywhere he is not.

"Without exception each person is tempted by the devil, and often when he least expects it. With eyes of faith firmly set on Jesus Christ Victor, the Holy Spirit makes the baptized aware of temptations and demonic antics. In the battle against evil, we must engage our God-given gift: free will!

Christ told St. Faustina that all merit lies in the will—not in our feelings........"........(read MORE on above link)

 

 

[Adviser/asker]

On 3/6/2020 at 4:44 PM, BarbaraTherese said:

Hi again Adviser/asker...........In answer to your first paragraph, trust in Divine Providence certainly depends on/presupposes and proclaims obedience to God through His Church.  You can read about Divine Providence in the Catechism HERE - scroll down to : "V. GOD CARRIES OUT HIS PLAN: DIVINE PROVIDENCE", which explains God's Direct and His Permissive Will.  The protection Divine Providence offers is understanding that nothing is outside the ambit of His Will either His Direct Will in what is good and Permissive Will in what is not good.  Divination and such things as new age type teachings about angels are contrary to the virtue of religion.  You can read about "Magic and Divination" HERE - scroll down to #2115 MAGIC AND DIVINATION.

Responding to your second paragraph.  New age type teachings about angels, angel cards etc. etc., is sinful because The Church teaches it is sinful and contrary to the virtue of religion and what we owe to God.  Once I understand this, I cannot claim inculpable ignorance of the fact that The Church teaches such things are sinful.  It could even be an issue of grave matter and the first condition for mortal sin.

You are in an extremely dangerous spiritually area.  I had a look at your profile and it states you are Catholic; therefore, I am presuming you desire to be obedient to what The Church teaches and why (but not only why) I have pointed out what the Catechism has to state.

Because it is a channel for satan and so presents extreme spiritual danger. 

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I am curious.  What does "adviser" mean in your screen name.

I understand and I herby give up on angel cards. Please pray for me. 
 

“Adviser” means I answer questions. “Asker” means I ask questions. There the two things I do on this site. Perhaps I should have placed “answerer” instead of asker. That would have made more sense, but it’s to late now, I think. 

That makes a lot of sense! Come to think of it. Beauty seems to be the only reason I was interested in the cards. I think I will have them blessed/exorcised for good mesure and use them as holy images.