jesussaves Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 hello. i am jesussaves. i believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. i also believe that the Catholic Church is in subtle and out right heresy on many issues. i have visited here before, but my attempt at discussions has never been fruitful. i would like to have a one on one discussion with a catholic in general on why i should be a catholic. we will probably pick the main reason and talk about it then hopefully move on to another reason. maybe you will insist that many issues must be taken together as a whole in order to justify catholicism. either way i definitly want to come to a mutual conclusion on why or why not i am catholic. again only one person to be efficient. you guys can figure out who or i can read around and pick someone of quality if multiple people are up for it and you can not decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I'd love to be the person you decide to talk to, if you'll choose me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 If its full of heresies, Which is an oxymoron since, a heresy is a teaching that goes against Catholic teaching, why are you asking why should you be catholic? Are you willing to listen and learn? Seriously take into account what they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I would too actually. If you'd have me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 me too! I love defending Jesus' Church! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesussaves Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) dust, i do not know too much about your postings. i looked at a few of them but do not have a good idea of what you stress. but you are the moderater correct? and you seem to know a good deal of information. so you can be the person i discuss with. anyone else is welcome to throw their hat into the ring before we begin dialouge. perhaps we can continue a post i had with brother adam that we never finished. please tell me why in one sentence why i should be a catholic then you can pick a point for us to discuss (especially if the sentence is too long.. ) Edited July 2, 2004 by jesussaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I don't think that one sentence would work, unless it was many pages long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 [quote name='jesussaves' date='Jul 2 2004, 01:23 AM'] please tell me why in one sentence why i should be a catholic then you can pick a point for us to discuss (especially if the sentence is too long.. ) [/quote] That seems fair to me. Here you go: [b]You should be Catholic because it will deepen your relationship with Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.[/b] I guess we can start with an objection you have with the Church. Just name it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 May I give a suggestion as to why? I would say that because it is through the Catholic Church that all souls are saved and can obtain salvation, allowing them to be in Heaven in total communion with God the Trinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 jesussaves.............you should choose apotheoun. every post i've ever read of his is brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I can do it. Here's my one sentence: Because the Catholic Church is in possesion of the gospel of Jesus Christ and Protestant Churches are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Jesussaves has chosen dUSt so I think its probably appropriate for the rest of us to step out of the thread unless we have something really brilliant to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesussaves Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) [quote]You should be Catholic because it will deepen your relationship with Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I guess we can start with an objection you have with the Church. Just name it. [/quote] i had hoped for you to choose a reason for me to be a catholic. so what is the most compelling reason that you can think of specifically. but either way here is a message i posted in another section of phatmass. i did not like the reply but did not want to press the issue. it didn't seem charitable. i intend to study this issue better. but it can be overwhelming with my time constraints. [quote][quote]hello. i do not believe in the roman catholic church but am studying into it. i would like to know if there are any definitive statements regarding the legitimacy of the papacy. i have read into the victor and the easter controvery and into the cyprian and the baptism controversy. i also noted firmilians response to cyprian, saying that he thinks stephen is being arrogant for making his claims to authority. this letter to firmilian is very controversial in my mind because it doesn't really say if stephen has legitimate authority or not without reading into it. other quotes regarding the catholic church and the papacy in the first few centuries also seem vaque. it seems as if it would be more evident than the bishop of rome making suggestions and no one really mentioning how the bishop of rome is final beyond respect. i am aware of the development of doctrine/papacy. if the Catholic Church were legitimate of course it would not be cop out. but it seems as if it may be. the simple fact that it is possible for me to think it may be a cop out i think says more against the catholic church. from what i know so far, i do admit that it could be legitimate Godly development. the mere fact that these bishops of rome made claims says a lot. but then considering man's inclination to take authority to himself, it could be man made development. if you don't even know of the events above offhand, i understand! but any info you might be able to give would be appreciated. [/quote] [quote] need to read books that address these issues deeply, synthetically, and which demonstrate that the papacy is wholly founded in the Old Testament and the fulfillment of that Old Covenant in the New Covenant Kingdom of the Christ.I recommend two books for you. 1. Upon This Rock by Stephen K. Ray 2. Jesus, Peter, and the Keys, ed. Butler [/quote][/quote] i know many here have a lot of books. does anybody have these books? does anybody know anything pertaining to my question? again it's not important to finish this dialouge immediatly. i would rather have it be quality. thank you for your time. Edited July 2, 2004 by jesussaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 [quote]hello. i do not believe in the roman catholic church but am studying into it. i would like to know if there are any definitive statements regarding the legitimacy of the papacy. i have read into the victor and the easter controvery and into the cyprian and the baptism controversy. i also noted firmilians response to cyprian, saying that he thinks stephen is being arrogant for making his claims to authority. this letter to firmilian is very controversial in my mind because it doesn't really say if stephen has legitimate authority or not without reading into it. other quotes regarding the catholic church and the papacy in the first few centuries also seem vaque. it seems as if it would be more evident than the bishop of rome making suggestions and no one really mentioning how the bishop of rome is final beyond respect. i am aware of the development of doctrine/papacy. if the Catholic Church were legitimate of course it would not be cop out. but it seems as if it may be. the simple fact that it is possible for me to think it may be a cop out i think says more against the catholic church. from what i know so far, i do admit that it could be legitimate Godly development. the mere fact that these bishops of rome made claims says a lot. but then considering man's inclination to take authority to himself, it could be man made development. if you don't even know of the events above offhand, i understand! but any info you might be able to give would be appreciated.[/quote] jesussaves, are you dairygirl under another nickname? this sounds like something she would write. especially when i read the "cop out" remark. ur not being sneaky are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 The best reason to be Catholic is simply because the Church teaches the Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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