Super Bowl halftime show panned as 'softcore porn,' 'horrible embarrassment'

[little2add]

I hated the Super Bowl half time show.  

Super Bowl LIV, which was held in Miami this year, featured Latin pop artists Shakira and Jennifer Lopez. Featuring several of their most well-known songs from over the years, the artists danced with lots of hip-shaking and were at points barely clothed around stripper poles. 

Commenting on his Facebook page Sunday, evangelist Franklin Graham noted that he did not expect the world to act like the church, but the nation nevertheless should have the decency to protect children during prime time television.

"We see that disappearing before our eyes. It was demonstrated tonight in the Pepsi Super Bowl Halftime Show — with millions of children watching. This exhibition was Pepsi showing young girls that sexual exploitation of women is okay. With the exploitation of women on the rise worldwide, instead of lowering the standard, we as a society should be raising it.

I’m disappointed in Pepsi and the NFL

 

Super bomb 2020

 

[Guest]

 

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[KnightofChrist]

Objectifying women at halftime is okay because Trump but objectifying women is not okay when it's Trump because Trump?

 

[Seven77]

 Well, as someone who did not talk for Trump, I feel that the halftime show was appalling. Very inappropriate and indecent.

Also, It's a weird disconnect to say that those disgusting comments by Trump were indeed disgusting and not find anything inappropriate in the halftime show.

So, Franklin Graham voted for Trump – – somehow that disqualifies him • for holding that the halftime show was trashy? Why can't people who seem to be hypocritical have real moral opinions that have weight? Also, it's not like he voted for the guy because he said those things.

And another thing, the people criticizing those criticizing the halftime show are dropping F bombs to shut them down as if they are themselves moral just because they think the president's comments before he was president are immoral. That doesn't make any sense to me.

 so much for logic 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Delivery said:

 

 

 

Mediator of Meh: If you're going to erase the two other images of my post erase this image as well. Because now my post is seen completely out of context and it appears I support Mr. Graham. Which I don't. Thanks. Appreciate it.

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[Luigi]

I didn't watch the Superbowl, so I didn't watch the halftime show. But whatever happened, it wouldn't surprise me. Halftime shows are Hollywood productions, and Hollywood is the world headquarters of Objectification of Women, Inc. It's been going on for decades. How many years ago did Janet Jackson have her "wardrobe malfunction" during a Superbowl halftime show? How many years has Harvey Weinstein been ruling Hollywood from the casting couch? [See current coverage of his trial on PBS.] We can all think of tons of examples of women being objectified in movies, television shows, magazines, advertisements, and on and on. 

If Trump made crude remarks about the show, that wouldn't surprise me either, but he wouldn't be the only man in the country to do so, either. It was going on before he was elected, and it will go on long after he's out of office, as far as I can tell. The problem is bigger than one man. 

To quote John Prine's song "Spanish Pipedream": 

"Blow up your TV, throw away your papers, move to the country, build you a home. Eat a lot of peaches, have a lot of children, try to find Jesus on your own." 

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[KnightofChrist]

2 hours ago, Delivery said:

Mediator of Meh: If you're going to erase the two other images of my post erase this image as well. Because now my post is seen completely out of context and it appears I support Mr. Graham. Which I don't. Thanks. Appreciate it.

I think people will look at that and think you posted it for context. 

I understand not supporting him, but is what he stated true or false?

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

I understand not supporting him, but is what he stated true or false?

I watched the halftime show. I wasn't offended. I wouldn't let young children view it (if I had kids) but it's performance art. As an adult I'm not bothered. Cheerleaders are dressed like that every game. If you as an adult truly are and it's to much for you that's fine and I respect that. If young kids were in the room I would change the channel at halftime. You know what you're probably going to get visually with Shakira and J Lo performing.

All the outrage to me is comical. And it's rich coming from Graham and the other 2 images I posted that were deleted illustrated that point. I don't blame the Mediator of Meh taking them down because of the explicit language and the crude nature of what was said in them. But the points made were really relevant to the discussion.

It's not sincere to hear people who promote Trump start lecturing from the pulpit over this when they don't call him out for his actions and words on the same things they are supposedly so bothered by. He paid a quarter of a million dollars off to a porn star he was having sex with while his wife was home with their new baby. He made comments about grabbing women by the........and being able to do whatever he wanted with them.

So when you promote Trump (especially when you're a religious leaders like Graham) and then start going off about this it doesn't come off as sincere. Your words don't carry any weight and ring hollow. No one cares. I know I don't.

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[little2add]

It’s not unreasonable for viewers of all ages who gather to watch football with family and friends to expect family-friendly entertainment.  

The half naked performances was riddled with sexual suggestiveness, was far from family-friendly. The performances didn’t need crotch thrusting and grabbing, butt shaking, grinding (almost), tongue wagging, pole dancing, etc. to be spectacular. The sex was totally unnecessary and in my humble opinion pornography.

poll dancing, really

 

[MIKolbe]

13 hours ago, Delivery said:

 

 

 

[Kateri89]

6 hours ago, Delivery said:

It's not sincere to hear people who promote Trump start lecturing from the pulpit over this when they don't call him out for his actions and words on the same things they are supposedly so bothered by. He paid a quarter of a million dollars off to a porn star he was having sex with while his wife was home with their new baby. He made comments about grabbing women by the........and being able to do whatever he wanted with them.

So when you promote Trump (especially when you're a religious leaders like Graham) and then start going off about this it doesn't come off as sincere. Your words don't carry any weight and ring hollow. No one cares. I know I don't.

I think this is a valid point.  I don’t know specifically about Graham or anyone else, but in general hypocrisy is not a good look.  I don’t understand what’s so hard about criticizing the bad behavior of anybody whether they share your political/religious views or not.  People are usually a mixture of good and bad so celebrate the good and admonish the bad and idolize no one.

Now specifically regarding the halftime show, I made myself watch the whole thing to have a valid opinion on it.  Many people have suggested that those who criticized it are just being ethnocentric and ignorant of other cultures.  I don’t think that’s fair.  If people were flipping out because a mariachi band was there that might be different but people were not upset about hearing Spanish or African languages.  They weren’t upset about Latina, Arab, or African dance moves.  They were upset about the scantily clad performers and some of the dance moves which were incredibly sexually suggestive.  Pole dancing, gyrating, grabbing themselves, etc.  The measure of whether or not something is good is if it’s in accord with the laws of God.  Just because something is from another culture doesn’t mean it’s somehow bigoted to critique it if it’s immodest.  Think about St. Augustine’s critiques of the social mores of the culture he lived in (City of God).  Plenty of foreign or ancient cultures have done bad things that are okay to criticize.  What people are upset about is that in the middle of the biggest football game of the year, what should be a family friendly event was filled with sexual imagery.  That’s a fair criticism in my opinion.  Also, let’s not forget that people have been scandalized by the dance moves of Elvis, or the French kiss between Britney and Madonna years ago.  This isn’t targeted toward Shakira and JLo because they’re Latina.  They’re very talented dancers and performers, no doubt about that.  It’s just a shame that they aren’t using their talents for the glory of God.  Though I will say, while I agree that the performances were inappropriate, I also don’t know what people expect anymore.  NFL halftime shows have been inappropriate for years.  Most of what Hollywood churns out is appalling; we’re just desensitized to it.

[KnightofChrist]

10 hours ago, Delivery said:

I watched the halftime show. I wasn't offended. I wouldn't let young children view it (if I had kids) but it's performance art. As an adult I'm not bothered. Cheerleaders are dressed like that every game. If you as an adult truly are and it's to much for you that's fine and I respect that. If young kids were in the room I would change the channel at halftime. You know what you're probably going to get visually with Shakira and J Lo performing.

All the outrage to me is comical. And it's rich coming from Graham and the other 2 images I posted that were deleted illustrated that point. I don't blame the Mediator of Meh taking them down because of the explicit language and the crude nature of what was said in them. But the points made were really relevant to the discussion.

It's not sincere to hear people who promote Trump start lecturing from the pulpit over this when they don't call him out for his actions and words on the same things they are supposedly so bothered by. He paid a quarter of a million dollars off to a porn star he was having sex with while his wife was home with their new baby. He made comments about grabbing women by the........and being able to do whatever he wanted with them.

So when you promote Trump (especially when you're a religious leaders like Graham) and then start going off about this it doesn't come off as sincere. Your words don't carry any weight and ring hollow. No one cares. I know I don't.

I understand why you posted the quote of Trump, but you could have tried to censor/blur out the f bombs and such. But the tweet in reply to Graham was absolute garbage, down right literary pornography. You did what you accuse Graham of doing, hypocritically over looking immorality of someone, the OP of the tweet, whilst condemning the immorality of someone else, Trump. 

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

You did what you accuse Graham of doing, hypocritically over looking immorality of someone, the OP of the tweet, whilst condemning the immorality of someone else, Trump. 

To be honest I've never made it a goal of mine to condemn the immorality of Trump. Bill Clinton was just as bad. Or close at least sexually. Trump has him destroyed in other areas such as racism. But I think it's a shame the Presidents get caught up in this behavior. It sets a bad example to kids. Although as an adult I get this is reality. I don't have illusions of what life is like here and the temptations we all have and sometimes/often give into. 

My problem is people who make a big deal of stuff like the Superbowl but then are silent on immorality when it goes against people they side with or are affiliated with. If you're going to speak on it do it unequivocally across the board. Not when it it's convenient. If you feel compelled to call out Shakira and J Lo call out our President for the horrible example he gives to the youth with his words and actions.

 

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[Seven77]

I'm not personally offended by the show for my own sake. I'm offended by the affront to God and the misuse of talent. Also, it seems to me that brushing it off is a perfect example of what desensitization is. It's like no big deal, carry-on, everyone's doing it so that's fine. If it offends you, it's on you. Whatever. It's not about being personally offended. I'm offended for their sake and the sake of the children there. Performance art? I don't think so. So performance art gives you license to shake your butt in front of crowds of people. Right. I'm not dissing either of them. It's the situation. It's the thing that passes for entertainment. It shouldn't pass for entertainment. People should not want to watch that garbage. I wish they just sing their songs without gyrating and whatnot.

Back in the late 90s, we were very critical of those hip-hop music videos, sellout music with all the scantily clad women. Objectification. Whatever happened to just having fun making music without trying to shock people or selling sex.?

Here is how I would gauge it: would I want my daughter if I had one to perform that way? No I would not. Why? Because I have the sense that it • is degrading to her dignity, it's cheapening, it's reduction that totally disregards worth as a human being created in the image of God.

Did I call out the president? Certainly. Those words were the very reason I did not vote for him. Couldn't do  it. II voted 3rd party for the 1st time. And I felt great. So, I think my opinion has weight. And if you think about it, anyone criticizing it is right to do so. Yes, they should have concerns the president's words as well and should not have voted for him. I think I must agree there.

I don't mean to vent or rant about this or come off uncharitably. However I do feel strongly about This.

Also, I think it might be good for us to review what the catechism says about modesty, etc.

Respectfully,

777 

[Guest]

I respect your view on it and your conviction. I don't necessarily agree but I think your points are valid and have merit. Plus I know you're being sincere and it's not political or anything like that. 

I watched it again on YouTube and I don't see the big deal. The 2 women are in amazing shape. Like professional athlete shape. They're performers performing. Their songs are fire regardless of haters who say their music smells of elderberries. I've always enjoyed their catalogue. A majority of the dance moves are what cheerleaders do everysingle game in the NBA and NFL. They are dressed the same as well.

There were a few things like the rapper grinding up on her that didn't need to happen since kids were watching. The stripper pole could of been taken out.  But for me the majority of it was whatever. As far as the modesty in dress issue. I don't know. I'm not here to tell women how they have to dress and accuse them of being silly sallies if it's not what a certain standard says it should be. Not saying you're doing that. But I want no part in that. If I had a daughter I would encourage her to dress modestly. But I'm not casting stones at adult women not dressed to a particular standard. 

And then when it comes to intense performing and dancing I'm definitely not arguing they have to be covered up or their silly sallies. I know it's not the same thing but women in gymnastics and ballerinas ect show tons of skin. If men can't handle it or it's to much for them change the station. Don't go to the game.

Edited February 5, 2020 by Guest