Calling All "non Catholics"

[MorphRC]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 18 2004, 07:31 AM'] There is no such thing as a "Romanist" church. [/quote]
Yes there does!

But its all in the mind though. Much like Sola Scriptura

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Jul 17 2004, 01:50 PM'] What if she were going to be Byzantine, or another Eastern rite?

Maybe you should catch up on your Catholic reading... but be forewarned, Catholic theology is an endless abyss. You'll not reach the end until united with God. [/quote]
[quote]What if she were going to be Byzantine, or another Eastern rite? [/quote] Well, if they're in communion with Rome, then they're still Romanist. Also, the Eastern theology of justification says that we inherit physical death from adam, and spiritual death from our own sin, which is a form of semi-pelagianism - this is even worse than Romanism.

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 17 2004, 12:57 PM'] (unless you hold to that recycling universe BS that really has absolutely no evidence, it's just as credible as the infinite parallel universe theory where every possible choice ever has happened in some parallel universe ) [/quote]
That's the Many Worlds Theory of Quantum Physics. (I [i]think[/i] it might have been disproven recently.)

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

Hi Morph,

The Big Bang Theorgy and the Evolutionary Theory do not disprove God's existence. If they're true, they just show how God made the universe start, and what happened afterwards. I think the Big Bang Theory is the most credible and plausible (it's also the most widely held) cosmological theory on the origin of the universe. Evolution (directed by God, that is) is also a possibility. You should know, though, that there is no fossil evidence showing the evolutionary process. Still, it's the most widely held scientific theory, and it's pretty believable.

The fact of the matter is that there's not one piece of credible scientific fact that disproves God, nor is there one piece of credible scientific fact that [b]absolutely[/b] proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. One cannot prove God with science, as He's beyond human understand. This is where science ends and metaphysics and philosophy begin. Scientifically speaking, what one can prove with science is that God's existence is much more probable than His nonexistence.

God bless,

Jennifer

[Hananiah]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jul 18 2004, 12:32 PM'] Well, if they're in communion with Rome, then they're still Romanist. Also, the Eastern theology of justification says that we inherit physical death from adam, and spiritual death from our own sin, which is a form of semi-pelagianism - this is even worse than Romanism. [/quote]
The Eastern Rite Churches which are in Communion with Rome are bound by the same Tridentine decrees on original sin as Roman Catholics. You seem to be talking about the schismatics.

[MorphRC]

[b]Evolutionary Theory [/b]

that does, since God didnt make things to be able to 'evolve' he made them 'good', also as far as I remember evolution isnt in the bible..i think,.

[justfran]

Well do you think the ancients would have known what God was on about if He somehow explained to them all the technicalities about evolution?

[curtins]

[quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Jul 17 2004, 08:56 AM'] This is usually practiced by lonely teens intent on rebellion. [/quote]
Hey Im a teen intent on rebellion- rebellion against being "cool" rebellion against pop music and "gangsta" rap. rebellion against fornication, masturbation, pornography. Rebellion against "stars" i.e. hollywood stars music stars etc. they're actions are disgraceful and I dont think that they should be held up to this god like status that they are. rebellion against the killing of inocent babies. rebellion agianst the destruction of marriage. rebellion against this world which is turning very un holy


Im not an anarchist. and Im not a satan worshiper. but I am a rebel/anticonformist/ punk rocker. and punk rock rocks.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jul 17 2004, 01:55 PM'] God help you if you join the Romanist church [/quote]
God IS helping her. Why do you think she decided to reconcile? If you had half an inkling of the process she's going through right now you might not be so quick to think she's going into the decision blindly, or has been brainwashed, or whatever it is that you think is going on with her. Yeah, I know you went through it, but the process is different for everyone.

[Aloysius]

The Bible is not a science book. Like someone said in the topic on Genesis, Genesis 1 is like a liturgy, Genesis 2 is where the events start takin place (talked about in figurative language) and none of em disprove evolution. That said, i don't believe in evolution because the fossils they have are what i believe to be extinct species of ancient monkies. if they find the missing link, maybe I'll think about it. but as it stands now all they've prooved to me is that there were other human like creatures. well, that's not hard for me to swallow. there's other human like creatures alive today, monkeys. so there were a bunch of creatures created under close design... hello, humans ARE God's favorite, why wouldn't he imitate them on a bunch of other creatures. He was creating animals to give Adam a companion

way I see it: Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, the Dinosaurs roamed the rest of the earth. Adam and Eve are all immortal at that time n all, so it could've been a REAAALLLY LONG time that they were in the garden, probably from the begining of the world till the extinction of the dinosaurs. Then, we sinned, God had to kill off all the dinosaurs when He banished us cause He didn't want us getting eaten by a T-Rex, and thus human beings are responsible for almost every extinction that ever happened, including the dinosaurs.

oh, and also, the Universe Started when God said "Bang"


Pax

[MagiDragon]

it's interesting, God created the world and it was 'good.' Yet, it took us until Christ to have the concept of God as Father.

Interesting how the [i]ideas[/i] [b]evolved[/b].

Almost like God planned it that way . . .

Peace,
Joe

[MorphRC]

Nice Stretch there Joe....

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 30 2004, 11:22 PM'] Nice Stretch there Joe.... [/quote]
*bows*

it's not as much of a stretch as you might think though. The universe was created in a state of change. Once our ideas started catching up to where God wanted us, He sent His Son to fill in the gaps.

[MorphRC]

yep.

[Dusty Fro]

I was raised in a non-religious home. My parents had been brought up in church-going households, but chose to reject God later in life. My mom was involved in her youth group and stuff (Episcopal) at least until the end of high school, and she dated a guy who went on to become a Baptist preacher (I wonder where I'd be if she married him...somewhere in the deep dark south rather than the glorious Northwest for sure)

Anyways, I always knew that there was a God, something bigger than me and the world. As a child, I got ahold of my mom's old KJV bible and read the book of Genesis straight through. The church that I now attend at home held a Bible release time on mondays for grade schoolers, and some of my friends went. I begged, cried for them to let me go, but they refused. They didn't want me to be influenced.

As a result of lack of Christian influence, I started getting into witchcraft. My best friend and I made up a book of spells and put curses on people when we were in jr high. By this time, the devil had a firm grip on my heart. I hated everyone and everything. I wanted to make things better for myself. I wanted control over them. I read a lot about witches and wanted to be one. Meanwhile, I began to dress very strangely, which made kids at school think I was weird (that was half the point) but it also made me hate them more because of the way they treated me. I got in fights at school with my classmates and teachers.

In an attempt to get me to make friends, my mom sent me to youth group when I was 12. I went for the games. They prayed. I was a little bit uncomfortable, but didn't feel like their beliefs conflicted with the occultic life I was living. I prayed some half hearted prayers "God, don't let bad stuff happen." It was ok. I kept going.

The night I gave my life to Christ was the night my friend's dad died. The leader herded us into the sanctuary and told us that he didn't have to be afraid of death (the man that died) because he knew where he was going. He told us about the sinner's prayer, which I mouthed the words to, desperate for some kind of answer, but not feeling it in my heart yet. Afterwards, John (leader) came to talk to me while I was waiting for my mom. He said the same thing he'd said in the sanctuary. I rolled my eyes and thought, "You don't have to preach to me, John, youth group is over." I got in my mom's car and rode home. Away from my parents, away from the youth group, alone in my bed, I realized that I had no clue where I would go if I died in the next second. I wanted that assurance. I wanted to be with God.

My early Christianity wasn't perfect. I was still very much into witchcraft and my bad attitude, but with the help of a Christian friend, abandoned those things in favor of God's will. I was a self-righteous little brat at times, which I'm repenting for now, but I'm in a much better place than I would be if my atheist mom hadn't made me go to youth group.

My current spirituality isn't perfect. I have a lot of doubts and struggles with identity, especially lately, that leave me very depressed and uninclined to rely or speak to God. But I know that He's there, and I know that He loves me enough to endure temptation, pain, and death to show that love to me and humankind.

As for Catholicism, what can I say? I'm into religion and theology. I really started thinking about Catholicism a few years ago when Istarted hearing about it in history, the history of the church and so on. I read a lot. I've attended mass quite a few times, and I like the peace that it brings me and I respect the reverence that Catholics have for God. I feel that I can't fully agree with the Roman Catholic church as an organization because I think it's historically been corrupted at the hands of greedy men and that corruption has been perpetuated throughout time. As of right now, I think that the Eastern church is more true, and I'm planning on reading more about it. I attend a Baptist church because they sponsor the house I'm living in, but I'm not a Baptist and will never be one. I don't like the value that they place on worship as entertainment. I think I identify most with the Disciples of Christ and the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), but because of my obligations to First Baptist, I haven't been able to attend any other services. There is a Friends meeting that takes place near my house, so I'll probably give them a call some time. And that's the end of that chapter.

Edited August 1, 2004 by Dusty Fro