justfran Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 MorphRC, consider the time and context in which the Creation story was written. It helps people in their faith if they actually understand a little bit about what's going on. I know there was an Adam and Eve in Eden story. I don't think anyone in 4000BC would have listened to some quantum physics or whatever lecturer going on and on about a Big Bang, quasar, neutrinos, matter and antimatter, etc. Much less mind boggling to say "God created this, then this, then this" without going into detail. And to me, it all fits in, because, imo, God creates new animals by evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Jul 18 2004, 01:29 AM'] Ok...now where did that one single particle, which everything evolve from, come from? How did it even come into existance? [/quote] Multiple Theories. Big Bang. Pre-Existance. It has its strong and weak points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [b]A[/b] [i][b]Ardipithecus and Australopithecines[/b][/i] The fossil evidence for human evolution may begin with a poorly known creature called Ardipithecus ramidus. This species is known from Ethiopian sites near Aramis, and is represented by teeth, jaw fragments, and part of a skeleton, dating from about 4.4 and 5.8 million years ago. Until this material has been published in more detail, it will remain unclear whether Ardipithecus lies on the hominine line, or might instead represent a fossil ape. If the latter possibility turns out to be the case, the earliest definite hominines are represented by the somewhat later australopithecines (“southern apes”). Fossils of these creatures have been discovered in a number of sites in eastern and southern Africa, and they are divided into three genera, Australopithecus, Paranthropus, and Kenyanthropus. Australopithecus is first known from sites in northern Kenya at about 4 million years ago, and the genus seems to have become extinct about 2 million years ago. Paranthropus originated at least 2.5 million years ago, and persisted until about 1 million years ago. All the australopithecines were regular bipeds, and therefore indisputable hominines. In details of their teeth, jaws, and brain size, however, they differ sufficiently among themselves to warrant division into at least four species of Australopithecus, three species of Paranthropus, and a distinct form called Kenyanthropus platyops. The other species are called Australopithecus anamensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, and Australopithecus garhi; and Paranthropus aethiopicus, Paranthropus robustus, and Paranthropus boisei. It is possible that Australopithecus anamensis gave rise to the later species of Australopithecus, while Paranthopus aethiopicus was ancestral to the later species of Paranthropus. The australopithecine Australopithecus anamensis is known from fragmentary remains found at sites in Kenya dating from about 4 million years ago. Its back teeth are large, with a thick covering of enamel, while an upper arm and shin bone thought to belong to the same creature are rather human in form. Australopithecus afarensis is represented by many more fossils, including the famous partial skeleton of Lucy, found at Hadar in Ethiopia. The species was present in eastern Africa between 3 million and 4 million years ago, it is deduced from evidence discovered in Kenya, the Afar region of Ethiopia, and Tanzania, and may also have been present further west in Chad. Australopithecus afarensis had a brain size hardly larger than those of chimpanzees (about 350 to 500 cm3). Some individuals possessed somewhat more projecting canine teeth than those of later hominines. No tools of any kind have been found with Australopithecus afarensis fossils, but footprint trails preserved at Laetoli in Tanzania are thought to have been made by this creature. By about 3 million years ago, Australopithecus afarensis may have evolved into a later australopithecine, Australopithecus africanus. Known from sites in southern Africa, Australopithecus africanus possessed a brain similar to that of its predecessor. However, although the size of the chewing teeth remained large, the canines, instead of projecting, grew only to the level of the other teeth. As with Australopithecus afarensis, no stone tools have been found in association with Australopithecus africanus fossils, and, as in the earlier species, hip and limb bones suggest that while these creatures were regular bipeds, they still had ape-like body proportions and other characteristics. Between 1996 and 1998 a collection of fossilized bones belonging to a new species was discovered in Ethiopia. Named Australopithecus garhi, the species had a primitive projecting face with small braincase, but unusually large back teeth. It apparently also had long human-like legs but short ape-like forearms. The findings were dated at 2.5 million years old, a critical juncture between Australopithecus afarensis and early forms of Homo. Broken and crushed animal bones showing cut marks and gouges were found alongside suggesting that Australopithecus garhi used stone tools to butcher animals. However, evidence for whether Australopithecus garhi was a direct ancestor of modern humans or just another evolutionary dead end is still inconclusive. The same is also true for the newly discovered form called Kenyanthropus platyops, found in Kenya and dating from about 3.5 million years ago. It had a distinctively flat face with high cheekbones. [b]Microsoft Encarta 2004 Standard - Human Evolution © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfran Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 and Who/What was behind the Big Bang? What existed in Pre-Existence? I think that God can't be proved or disproved scientifically, because I reckon He's way beyond science. Anyone asks me why I now follow Catholicism, I tell them it's what my conscience chooses. I can't be more honest than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnanc Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Jul 17 2004, 10:15 AM'] Multiple Theories. Big Bang. Pre-Existance. It has its strong and weak points. [/quote] how can you explain what created the big bang, where did all that matter come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Getting moving to the debate board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeraMaria Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 17 2004, 12:27 PM'] Getting moving to the debate board. [/quote] I was about to suggest that. If you are really interested in the subject and have time to read, look at this: [url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ470.HTM"]http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ470.HTM[/url] It includes many dialogues with atheists. God Bless! Vera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='justfran' date='Jul 18 2004, 01:52 AM'] and Who/What was behind the Big Bang? What existed in Pre-Existence? I think that God can't be proved or disproved scientifically, because I reckon He's way beyond science. Anyone asks me why I now follow Catholicism, I tell them it's what my conscience chooses. I can't be more honest than that. [/quote] Well. Then explain all these diseases and virus'? You make one good point, then someone can blast you down with another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='slywakka250' date='Jul 18 2004, 01:56 AM'] how can you explain what created the big bang, where did all that matter come from? [/quote] Thats just a theory. I heard it was created by a catholic as well..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote name='VeraMaria' date='Jul 18 2004, 02:04 AM'] I was about to suggest that. If you are really interested in the subject and have time to read, look at this: [url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ470.HTM"]http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ470.HTM[/url] It includes many dialogues with atheists. God Bless! Vera [/quote] k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 The point is, Morph, that whatever theory you come up with, it has to made/created by something/someone. God always was, is, and will be. If a Big Bang happened, it's because He spoke it into existance. If we're a product of evolution, it's because God allowed it to happen. They stick to one or two points, because they know that they can't argue it any other way. Once you bring in God, then you have to have some sort of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Darwin ( I believe) said, that the longer he studied, the more he became aware that there must be some sort of higher power. Hmm....think about that, eh?> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Maybe. But it might not be Yahweh, it could be any god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 a Catholic priest worked with a Catholic scientist to develope the theory of the Big Bang. The Big Bang, if it is true, would proove beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that there IS a God. (unless you hold to that recycling universe BS that really has absolutely no evidence, it's just as credible as the infinite parallel universe theory where every possible choice ever has happened in some parallel universe ) because it prooves that the Universe had to have had a begining. If there is a begining, there must be a beginner. explain disease and viruses? they are beautiful creations of God, they cause suffering which can make someone spiritually stronger even if they get physically weaker, they give human beings a challenge to use their minds to combat them, they do alot of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 [quote]explain disease and viruses? they are beautiful creations of God, they cause suffering which can make someone spiritually stronger even if they get physically weaker, they give human beings a challenge to use their minds to combat them, they do alot of good.[/quote] Yes Ebola is beautiful..Oy Vey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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