IcePrincessKRS Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 29 2004, 06:39 PM'] I'm a faithful Catholic who is pro-DP. pAx [/quote] lol Me, too, Al. I remember having a long discussion with Jason about this in Open Mic once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Princess Bling, Bling I am almost always in agreement with you, and when I'm not I find that I'm forced to stop and reconsider. Such is my respect for you, and your formidable mother! I realize that what you said was in regards to pro-death "liberals" and not to pro-union liberals (such as myself and a precious few others here). However, too often we leap to conclusions regarding ones orthodoxy based on the term "liberal". Strangely, we do the same based on the term "traditional", but I digress. There is a wideness in God's mercy, and so to in the prudential judgement of the voting Catholic. A precious few things are non-negotiable (abortion, stem cells, etc.) but so much more is up for debate. I just encourage everyone to realize that my view on property taxes or welfare funding is not at all tied to my salvation or faithfulness to Church teaching on issues of life. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I can't argue with you there, Pedro. God Bless! (I'm honored and even a little embarassed that you think so highly of my opinion. I am glad that we agree so often, because I wouldn't want to argue with you, you are a formidable opponent to those that debate with you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 29, 2004 Author Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 29 2004, 06:06 PM'] Social Justice. Respect for ALL life. Being pro life is much more than being anti abortion. Think about it. And Bush fails 2 of the 5 non-negs on the "Voter guide" and many key points on the USCCB voters guide (even under the all important "Protecting Human Life" section. So yeh. Why do Faithful Catholic's vote GOP? [/quote] Isn't John Kerry for abortion and homosexual marriage? [b]Pedro[/b], I'm not against liberals in general. I'm against liberals who try to justify the 5 non-negotiables, it makes me very frusterated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jun 29 2004, 06:42 PM'] Isn't John Kerry for abortion and homosexual marriage? [b]Pedro[/b], I'm not against liberals in general. I'm against liberals who try to justify the 5 non-negotiables, it makes me very frusterated. [/quote] LOL! Did I imply Kerry passed? LOL! If I did I was nuts. But my point is Bush doesn't pass either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_calvin Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jun 29 2004, 03:41 PM'] Majority of Liberals suppost abortion. I don't get it, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. [url="http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp[/url] I would like to hear your reasons, because I honestly can't think of any for you. [/quote] Its a travashammockery that politicians don't live their faith. For faith is the key to their salvation. If they believe one thing they need to believe in it all. Just can't pick one apple because it looks better than the other ones. Very Arminian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archbishop 10-K Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Catholics vote liberal, aka Democrat, because back in the old days, the Democratic Party represented Catholics in America. But nowadays, the Democratic Party has switched sides morally. It's just a matter of when the Catholic faithful will switch as well. For example, my step-dad is what I would consider to be a faithful Catholic. That is, he tries to fall in line with Catholic teaching, but he's poorly catechized, plus he's been working and voting for, and indoctrinated by the Democratic Party for so long that the thought of switching to Republican is inconceivable for him. I'm working on getting him to be a Republican, or at least the good ol' Catholic Independent that most of us are at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Ellenita' date='Jun 29 2004, 11:50 PM'] I have always voted on the basis of which of the main parties I think will do the most to empower the most vulnerable people in society and create a sense of community - I could never have voted for Margaret Thatcher for example! [/quote] I hope you don't change your view of me, but I'm one of those rare things, a 21 year-old Tory... Edited June 30, 2004 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 30, 2004 Author Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 29 2004, 08:10 PM'] LOL! Did I imply Kerry passed? LOL! If I did I was nuts. But my point is Bush doesn't pass either. [/quote] I thought you were implying that, but I guess I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 29 2004, 05:06 PM'] Social Justice. Respect for ALL life. Being pro life is much more than being anti abortion. Think about it. And Bush fails 2 of the 5 non-negs on the "Voter guide" and many key points on the USCCB voters guide (even under the all important "Protecting Human Life" section. So yeh. Why do Faithful Catholic's vote GOP? [/quote] Which two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessinoelw Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Maybe instead of generic classifications such as "liberal" and "conservative" you should say, "Why do Catholics vote in favor of (fill in the blank with a specific issue or specific candidate)?" Such as, "How could a Catholic vote in favor ?" There is a lot more to "liberal" than pro-choice/pro-homosexual, etc. You can choose to vote for "liberal" issues and not vote for "liberal" candidates. Republican does not equal Catholic/Christian. Look at Dorothy Day. She wasn't a Republican. --Jessica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='jessinoelw' date='Jun 29 2004, 08:36 PM'] Look at Dorothy Day. She wasn't a Republican. [/quote] However, the parties of her day weren't what they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 A few things here... According to that voter's guide, Bush cannot be voted for. If it is a 'non negotiable' (abortion) and he isnt fully pro-life, then you cant vote for him... you can't vote for Kerry either. There are third party candidates you CAN vote for. As for Liberals (big L meaning the Canadian political party) - there are some MP's who are pro life. There are a lot of Conservatives who are pro-choice or not willing to defend the rights of the fetus - including Stephen Harper. I think its also important to point out the fact that there are people who are Liberal when it comes to environmental and economical issues, and Conservative on moral issues. I fall into that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 (edited) Read the Voter's guide more carefully, it says you can vote for the one who violates less of the non-negotiables. besides, Bush is pro-life. Edited June 30, 2004 by Aloysius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 29 2004, 09:01 PM'] Read the Voter's guide more carefully, it says you can vote for the one who violates less of the non-negotiables. besides, Bush is pro-life. [/quote] Yes but he has failed to be pro life. He stated that he would not seek to overturn apporaval of RU 486 (sp?). Therefore he is not pro life. Is he pro abort? No. Pro life? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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