Paladin D Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Majority of Liberals suppost abortion. I don't get it, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. [url="http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp[/url] I would like to hear your reasons, because I honestly can't think of any for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Well, I don't vote liberal but I can give you some idea of why some Catholics vote Liberal is because they aren't actual practicing Catholics or they don't have enough knowledge about the Church and its position on certain things. They seem not to know any better then to vote for those that are Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 2 words-- social justice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 (edited) I've also heard some "Catholics" say that they don't think the Church means that contraceptives or abortion are immoral, but that we should use our own judgement to decide. For some reason they don't get the hint that when the Church says "contraceptives and abortion are sinful" that if they use/support the use of them its actually a sin. Edited June 29, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jun 29 2004, 04:32 PM'] 2 words-- social justice... [/quote] yeah but it is debatable whether social justice is best attained by the democrat's economic policies or by republican economic policies, PLUS life/death issues take precedence over economic issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote]2 words-- social justice... [/quote] Exactly! I have always voted on the basis of which of the main parties I think will do the most to empower the most vulnerable people in society and create a sense of community - I could never have voted for Margaret Thatcher for example! I know the political system is very different in the UK to the US though.... I don't think there is an official 'party line' on abortion here in the main political parties and I confess I've never considered abortion as a political issue before I started to find out the reality of it through debates here at Phatmass! It would certainly make me reconsider who I might 'naturally' vote for if there was an official party line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 In the United States of America the Republican Party is against abortion and same-sex marriage, the Democratic Party is for those. not to mention, again, that I believe the Democratic Party's economic policies are doomed to fail and social justice can best be acheived by small government and big charity, the little guy that makes the most out of his future and helps those in need. don't forget Ironmonk's favorite scripture: 2 Thess 3:10 "if any man will not work, neither let him eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I think the answer to your question is: they don't. No faithful Catholic votes liberal. If he votes liberal (if you mean by that the same thing I do) he is not a faithful Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 haha I was re-reading the thread title and thinking the same thing PSPX.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Social Justice. Respect for ALL life. Being pro life is much more than being anti abortion. Think about it. And Bush fails 2 of the 5 non-negs on the "Voter guide" and many key points on the USCCB voters guide (even under the all important "Protecting Human Life" section. So yeh. Why do Faithful Catholic's vote GOP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 29 2004, 04:55 PM'] I think the answer to your question is: they don't. No faithful Catholic votes liberal. If he votes liberal (if you mean by that the same thing I do) he is not a faithful Catholic. [/quote] But a vote for Bush or most GOPers isn't a vote for pro life either. THe GOP is anti abortion, not pro life. The Dems are anti DP not pro life. So seeing as that is true you can't be faithful Catholics and vote for GOP or Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Iacobus, I agree that Bush is not 100% pro-life. But it has nothing to do with his stance on the death penalty. The USCCB voters guide (as do many of the bishops) exaggerates the death penalty issue (WHICH IS NOT FORBIDDEN BY CATHOLIC TEACHING). Bush allows exceptions for rape/incest/life of the mother (without the necessary qualifications on that last one). It is for that reason that he is not 100% pro-life. Being for the death penalty does not make one cease to be pro-life, so long as it is with the proper qualifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Ah, sweeping generalizations. Strange how my confessor/spiritual director seems to feel that I'm a faithful Catholic, but the posters on the thread would condemm me off hand. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I'm a faithful Catholic who is pro-DP. pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I hope you didn't mean anything I said Pedro. I know that there are Catholics out there who are very pro-life but would be considered Liberal because of their other political views. I read Paladin's question as asking why "faithful" Catholics vote pro-abortion. Any comments I made were in reference to those Liberal "Catholics" who do not accept Church teaching. If there are pro-life Liberal political candidates more power to them, but I do find it disturbing that there are those who claim to be Catholic and insist on supporting pro-abortion/pro-gay marriage/pro-euthanasia candidates (whether they be Democrat, Liberal, Independant, Conservative, Republican, or what-have-you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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