Banksey Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 [quote name='traichuoi' date='Jul 6 2004, 11:05 AM'] they are kids from an orphanage in Miacatlan, Mexico that I'll be visiting again in august... who's the kid in yours? [/quote] a picture of my sister when she was a kid. haha j/k. it's just some little kid. i ono who she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 [quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 6 2004, 05:52 PM'] I guess it is because I think that in America, people have the right to pursue whatever makes them happy. If that means marrying someone of the same sex, then I don't think that anything should stand in the way of it. I of course would never expect, or want the Church to santify gay marriage, but as a strictly secular practice I think that people should be able to do it. This is of course only on the subject of gay marriage that I have a different religious and secular view, this cannot be applied to something like abortion since it is totally wrong both religiously and secularly. I think that people have the right to decide who they want to marry regardless of gender, and they also have the right to decide whether or not to adhere to the teachings of their faith. [/quote] i don't understand...by what standards do you deem abortion wrong but not gay marriage? morality is not relative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 [quote]i don't understand...by what standards do you deem abortion wrong but not gay marriage?[/quote] abortion is wrong because it takes away the right that every American has to life. I am explaining this of course in secular terms. once a child is conceived, I believe that it has the same rights as every other American, including protection from being killed. Gay people as well have the same unalienable right to pursue happiness, and regardless of what people might think gay marriage does not affect anyone else. People should have the right to make their own decisions regarding who they want to marry. People of course do not have the right to make the decision to kill their child which is why abortion is wrong but gay marriage is not. I know that I haven't explained this very well, but it all makes sense...really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryslice Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 So is gay marriage actually going to be aloud in the U.S.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CatholicKid85 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I personally believe that we should not try and ban gay marriges...b/c in my opinion, it doesn't matter if we say that it is illigal to for two people of the same sex to get married because they are still going to be together....And I DO strongle feel that Abortion is wrong...I am 10000% Pro-Life! There is no way in this world that I will change my mind on that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 [quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 7 2004, 07:53 AM'] abortion is wrong because it takes away the right that every American has to life. I am explaining this of course in secular terms. once a child is conceived, I believe that it has the same rights as every other American, including protection from being killed. Gay people as well have the same unalienable right to pursue happiness, and regardless of what people might think gay marriage does not affect anyone else. People should have the right to make their own decisions regarding who they want to marry. People of course do not have the right to make the decision to kill their child which is why abortion is wrong but gay marriage is not. I know that I haven't explained this very well, but it all makes sense...really! [/quote] marriage is a Sacrament. it has nothing to do with the Constitution's "pursuit of happiness" because it has nothing to do with the government. the only reason why the government would recognize a marriage is for legalities, not for the sacrament. so it means nothing to be married civically. it does not give you the grace to live with happiness because it is God who gives grace, not the government. so whether or not the government should recognize gay marriage it still remains that God is the person we should ultimately enter into a covenant of marriage with. i urge you to research more why the Church teaches that homosexual union is wrong in order to be more fully aware of Truth (which is not relative). check out these other threads: [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13400&hl=gay+marriage"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showt...hl=gay+marriage[/url] [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=6947&hl=gay+marriage"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showt...hl=gay+marriage[/url] [quote]I personally believe that we should not try and ban gay marriges...b/c in my opinion, it doesn't matter if we say that it is illigal to for two people of the same sex to get married because they are still going to be together....And I DO strongle feel that Abortion is wrong...I am 10000% Pro-Life! There is no way in this world that I will change my mind on that matter [/quote] luckily the Church does not teach Truth according to opinion. Truth exists separate from your opinion. Truth is truth even if you do not believe in it. Truth is not based off what you believe...again, Truth is not relative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I don't really want to debate this anymore, it is way too complex of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 [quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 13 2004, 12:51 PM'] I don't really want to debate this anymore, it is way too complex of an issue. [/quote] hopefully it doesn't end with you not researching the topic and learning more about why the Church teaches so. it really isn't up for debate with me either. I believe what the Church teaches because the Church teaches Truth, period. and i don't believe in something just because i [i][b]feel[/b][/i] it needs to be a certain way according to me. God bless...i'll be praying that you try to learn more about the issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CatholicKid85 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think that zwergel88 knows enough about the topic to have an opinion on it......everyone has their own opinion regardless of what the church believes....thats why we have brains...to determine for ourselves what is right and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 [quote]I think that zwergel88 knows enough about the topic to have an opinion on it......everyone has their own opinion regardless of what the church believes....thats why we have brains...to determine for ourselves what is right and wrong. [/quote] thank you, that is sort of what I was trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 [quote name='CatholicKid85' date='Jul 14 2004, 12:00 AM'] I think that zwergel88 knows enough about the topic to have an opinion on it......everyone has their own opinion regardless of what the church believes....thats why we have brains...to determine for ourselves what is right and wrong. [/quote] David Koresh had his own opinion on why what he did was right. Osama Bin Laden had his own opinion on why what he did was right. Hitler had his own opinion on why what he did was right. [color=red][b]YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MAKE TRUTH EXIST. SOMETHING IS NOT TRUTH JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN IT.[/color][/b] everyone can have their own opinion on something but it doesn't mean it is right. abortion activists have their opinion on the matter. does that make it right? NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 the quote "i think therefore i am" is a fallacy and you have fallen for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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