Catholics are not Christians debate

[Isaac]

Okay so there now we getting in to apologetics sorta yeah nah but yes the pope or the see of Peter is the one person with the authority to look after the sheep

And yes Catholics are Christian's

What other church can trace it's origins to the 12 apostles aside from the Eastern rite 

Most denominations can go back to about 500 years or so while the church dates back near 2000 years 

[Jack4]

830 The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." The Church is catholic in a double sense:

First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her.

"Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church."307 In her subsists the fullness of Christ's body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him "the fullness of the means of salvation"308 which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. The Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost309 and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.

831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race:310

All men are called to belong to the new People of God. This People, therefore, while remaining one and only one, is to be spread throughout the whole world and to all ages in order that the design of God's will may be fulfilled: he made human nature one in the beginning and has decreed that all his children who were scattered should be finally gathered together as one. . . . The character of universality which adorns the People of God is a gift from the Lord himself whereby the Catholic Church ceaselessly and efficaciously seeks for the return of all humanity and all its goods, under Christ the Head in the unity of his Spirit.311

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but 'in body' not 'in heart.'"321

868 The Church is catholic: she proclaims the fullness of the faith. She bears in herself and administers the totality of the means of salvation. She is sent out to all peoples. She speaks to all men. She encompasses all times. She is "missionary of her very nature" (AG 2).

@linate @Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

In what sense is the word charity being used when saying"persevere in charity", is that focus on relationship with god or neighbour or both?  But im guessing now charity to ones neighbour could fall under proclaiming the good news which is stated as being catholic. Seems like the defining factor as to what is catholic outside of the sacraments, the bishops, and the pope is charity.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye