Seven77 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Why does everything have to be so politicized though? I'm talking about our reactions here on this Catholic website. Why does everything have to be liberal or conservative, left or right? As Catholics, we should be more concerned with right versus wrong, moral versus immoral… That should be the lens with which we view things. Catholicism transcends petty political platforms, although political platforms and ideologies are not bad in themselves and they often have positions that we can get on board with. Please, we got to stop with the left and right ish if we're going to win the society for Christ. The fact is, the way that "conservatives" here talk about certain issues I honestly wonder if they really want to change hearts for the truth. We have to build bridges with truth, beauty, and goodness and that goes for the way we talk about issues. Attracting flies with honey instead of vinegar and stuff like that. Can we freaking try that for a change? Might actually do some good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Seven77 said: Why does everything have to be so politicized though? I'm talking about our reactions here on this Catholic website. Why does everything have to be liberal or conservative, left or right? As Catholics, we should be more concerned with right versus wrong, moral versus immoral… That should be the lens with which we view things. Catholicism transcends petty political platforms, although political platforms and ideologies are not bad in themselves and they often have positions that we can get on board with. Please, we got to stop with the left and right ish if we're going to win the society for Christ. The fact is, the way that "conservatives" here talk about certain issues I honestly wonder if they really want to change hearts for the truth. We have to build bridges with truth, beauty, and goodness and that goes for the way we talk about issues. Attracting flies with honey instead of vinegar and stuff like that. Can we freaking try that for a change? Might actually do some good... It's a dangerous attitude to have, looking at others and assuming they aren't doing everything in their power to evangelize for Christ and to think only your attitude and your way of doing it works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I can say all I ever get from you is vinegar. It may not be so, but what I perceive to be so. I post what I want to post no one has to respond if it triggers them so much. Kofc seems to understand what I'm talking about. Other friends who've read it but don't post on phatmass get it too... I work in higher education. This tweet isn't just some random attitude, it's prevalent amongst millennials and liberals. I witness it everyday and I for one find it alarming. Like kofc said, the most innocent things are being attacked over this hysterical reaction that somehow racism is the most important evil rearing its head these days. It isn't. And the KKK are the same obscure irrelevant idiots they've been for the last 50 years. They aren't a threat to our society. The threat lies in mind control over the masses. I've witnessed mass hysteria on my campus when it comes to things perceived to be homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, name any phobic and they react hysterically to it! Lol! It's all part of the divide and conquering of the leftists to control Americans emotions and win votes for their side. It's eerie to witness... One day they will attack the very preaching of the Gospel and call it hate speech... and they will want to censor it, because that's what they riot about... to shut conservative values down. If you guys don't see that happening, well good for you, I see it in my very own work place. We no longer have the right to think what we want to think, say what we want to say or even believe what we want to believe without a real threat of expulsion from our positions. The other day they put the feminine napkin disposals in the men's room. People were shocked at that but no one said anything lest they be called by Human Resources for being transphobic... this random liberal tweeted she wanted hobby lobby to remove this racist display.. she speaks for millions. Within the first hour she had 20,000 likes not just shares, likes. That means agreements. They don't like something they want it destroyed. On my campus, a man putting up pro life display had his pictures vandalized while the students and faculty applauded. They don't like what they saw so they demanded it be destroyed. This isn't just some random tweet it's a reflection of millions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I was reading another crazy article today on break. Basically straight black men are the new white supremacists. I won't bother linking to it. I think the shell that remains of Christian society is cracking up and a new society is about to take hold. I don't think Western Civilization as a whole is strong either, but rather weak and dying. All Christian societies that have fallen away or tried to cast off Christianity didn't end in peace and lovey dovey good times. But vast amounts of bloodshed. Russia, France, Mexico are just a few examples of what may lie in wait for the future. All this wacko nonsense, the all out attacks on everything that isn't left-wing or doesn't advance left-wing agenda, are clear signs of a culture committing suicide. Mass-murder of children, Childless unions, attacks on marriage and families, promotion of sodomy, promotion of unions between humans and non-human, promotion of the god of self, denial of God made gender or species, attacks on straight men, attacks on moral women, iconoclasm, glorification of violence and lust in media, normalizing satanism/witchcraft, sexualizing the young, normalizing drag queens at school, attacks on free speech, justification of violence against those with the wrong opinions, dividing, dividing, dividing, division, division, division, turning Americans against our National foundations, and on and on and on... I guess when it all falls down we can take some comfort that this is something only Conservatives will get bent out of shape about? 10 hours ago, havok579257 said: Not the same thing. i didn't go on other mediums and blast out that someone of phatmass was calling obama, husien and they were being offensive. if i had copied the debate and ran and posted it on another medium, then you would have a valid point. All I'm hearing is that it's ok for you to get upset about a certain subject and that your justifications for speaking out are acceptable. But not for others about subjects you find unimportant, they have to shut they mouths and stop whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Note: New York Magazine, and Salon aren't just some random no-bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 11 hours ago, dominicansoul said: I can say all I ever get from you is vinegar. It may not be so, but what I perceive to be so. 1 Wow. Okay, I appreciate the honesty However I'm not sure how it reconciles with this: On 9/19/2017 at 8:10 PM, dominicansoul said: Yes, you are the most charitable person on Phatmass, I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Seven77 said: Wow. Okay, I appreciate the honesty However I'm not sure how it reconciles with this: Oh no! It wasn't meant personally!!! I'm not saying I get vinegar from you, I'm just using that as an EXAmPLE. You were saying, we need to bring people to Christ using beauty and love and sweetness, but I was saying, people perceive things one way and not the way you wish they would. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Also, you would be surprised how many people I've convinced with tough love, not being all sweet and nice. That's all I was saying. I wasn't aiming it at you personally, it was just an example. You know I love you, you're one of the best people I've met on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, dominicansoul said: Oh no! It wasn't meant personally!!! I'm not saying I get vinegar from you, I'm just using that as an EXAmPLE. You were saying, we need to bring people to Christ using beauty and love and sweetness, but I was saying, people perceive things one way and not the way you wish they would. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Also, you would be surprised how many people I've convinced with tough love, not being all sweet and nice. That's all I was saying. I wasn't aiming it at you personally, it was just an example. You know I love you, you're one of the best people I've met on this forum! 2 Haha, I just reread the post. I get it now… Sorry I'm a little slow… LOL. 13 hours ago, dominicansoul said: It's a dangerous attitude to have, looking at others and assuming they aren't doing everything in their power to evangelize for Christ and to think only your attitude and your way of doing it works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I can say all I ever get from you is vinegar. It may not be so, but what I perceive to be so. I post what I want to post no one has to respond if it triggers them so much. Kofc seems to understand what I'm talking about. Other friends who've read it but don't post on phatmass get it too... I work in higher education. This tweet isn't just some random attitude, it's prevalent amongst millennials and liberals. I witness it everyday and I for one find it alarming. Like kofc said, the most innocent things are being attacked over this hysterical reaction that somehow racism is the most important evil rearing its head these days. It isn't. And the KKK are the same obscure irrelevant idiots they've been for the last 50 years. They aren't a threat to our society. The threat lies in mind control over the masses. I've witnessed mass hysteria on my campus when it comes to things perceived to be homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, name any phobic and they react hysterically to it! Lol! It's all part of the divide and conquering of the leftists to control Americans emotions and win votes for their side. It's eerie to witness... One day they will attack the very preaching of the Gospel and call it hate speech... and they will want to censor it, because that's what they riot about... to shut conservative values down. If you guys don't see that happening, well good for you, I see it in my very own work place. We no longer have the right to think what we want to think, say what we want to say or even believe what we want to believe without a real threat of expulsion from our positions. The other day they put the feminine napkin disposals in the men's room. People were shocked at that but no one said anything lest they be called by Human Resources for being transphobic... this random liberal tweeted she wanted hobby lobby to remove this racist display.. she speaks for millions. Within the first hour she had 20,000 likes not just shares, likes. That means agreements. They don't like something they want it destroyed. On my campus, a man putting up pro life display had his pictures vandalized while the students and faculty applauded. They don't like what they saw so they demanded it be destroyed. This isn't just some random tweet it's a reflection of millions... 14 I get what you're saying and where you're coming from. Trust me, I really do. Our world is really jacked up. I know that there are real attacks on life and the family and by no means should those attacks be diminished or obscured. It's pretty alarming, yes, I get that. I've been on board with trying to fight against all that in my own little way, especially online on Facebook and Twitter. All I'm saying is, empathy takes us a lot farther. I'm saying this from firsthand experience. How do you help to convince someone that abortion is wrong? By trying to find some common ground that person first. Let's say that person is African-American. Let's say the topic of racism comes up. I don't think the best approach is to say, "well, abortion is more serious than those petty little incidents of racism that you're so caught up about." No, I think the better approach is to agree with her about those evils of racism. You will have shown that you are on her side. Then, when the topic of abortion comes up you are in a better position to win that person over. That's basically what I'm saying. This is an approach that I think will really work… It may be slow work, it may seem like we are not making any progress. But trust me, I know this is a heck of a lot more effective in our world today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 21 hours ago, Seven77 said: All I'm saying is, empathy takes us a lot farther. I'm saying this from firsthand experience. How do you help to convince someone that abortion is wrong? By trying to find some common ground that person first. Let's say that person is African-American. Let's say the topic of racism comes up. I don't think the best approach is to say, "well, abortion is more serious than those petty little incidents of racism that you're so caught up about." No, I think the better approach is to agree with her about those evils of racism. You will have shown that you are on her side. Then, when the topic of abortion comes up you are in a better position to win that person over. That's basically what I'm saying. This is an approach that I think will really work… It may be slow work, it may seem like we are not making any progress. But trust me, I know this is a heck of a lot more effective in our world today. In my life's experience, it takes a bit of both. Some people you can start out being very generous, charitable, kind and let them know you're not pushing them to change their minds, totally respecting their points of view, but then there are times that call for total tough love. It takes a bit of both in my experience to preach the Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, dominicansoul said: In my life's experience, it takes a bit of both. Some people you can start out being very generous, charitable, kind and let them know you're not pushing them to change their minds, totally respecting their points of view, but then there are times that call for total tough love. It takes a bit of both in my experience to preach the Gospel. I agree... but we might part ways in defining "total tough love." And I would not utilize a left, right, liberal, conservative framework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 People get way too offended and butt hurt about stuff "Cotton plant decorations" is nothing to get all outraged about. Posting butt hurt about "cotton decor outrage" is nothing to get all in a titter about. Dial it all down about seventeen bazillion points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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