little2add Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 conception first trimester second trimester third trimester actual birth baptism first communion / age of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Conception absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJJPK Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Yes, conception without doubt. You have a zygote, you have a soul there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 11:47 AM, JJJPK said: Yes, conception without doubt. You have a zygote, you have a soul there. Genetically, of course there is no doubt Scientifically some argue that it is only a blob of tissue at this stage. How quaint this line of thinking is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabeth09 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/3/2017 at 8:41 PM, little2add said: conception first trimester second trimester third trimester actual birth baptism first communion / age of reason Conception, because the baby is alive, not a blob tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html 19. This declaration expressly leaves aside the question of the moment when the spiritual soul is infused. There is not a unanimous tradition on this point and authors are as yet in disagreement. For some it dates from the first instant; for others it could not at least precede nidation. It is not within the competence of science to decide between these views, because the existence of an immortal soul is not a question in its field. It is a philosophical problem from which our moral affirmation remains independent for two reasons: (1) supposing a belated animation, there is still nothing less than a human life, preparing for and calling for a soul in which the nature received from parents is completed, (2) on the other hand, it suffices that this presence of the soul be probable (and one can never prove the contrary) in order that the taking of life involve accepting the risk of killing a man, not only waiting for, but already in possession of his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of the child Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 At conception, God doesn't need the trimester or any amount of to decide whether the soul will live forever. Jeremiah 1:5 says God knew us before we were conceived. St Thomas Aquinas talked on this also. Love the Lord, Jesus is Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 "Certainly no experimental datum can be in itself sufficient to bring us to the recognition of a spiritual soul; nevertheless, the conclusions of science regarding the human embryo provide a valuable indication for discerning by the use of reason a personal presence at the moment of this first appearance of a human life: how could a human individual not be a human person? The Magisterium has not expressly committed itself to an affirmation of a philosophical nature, but it constantly reaffirms the moral condemnation of any kind of procured abortion. This teaching has not been changed and is unchangeable.(26) Thus the fruit of human generation, from the first moment of its existence, that is to say from the moment the zygote has formed, demands the unconditional respect that is morally due to the human being in his bodily and spiritual totality. The human being is to be respected and treated as a person from the moment of conception; and therefore from that same moment his rights as a person must be recognized, among which in the first place is the inviolable right of every innocent human being to life." -- Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Respect for Human Life in Its Origin and on the Dignity of Procreation: Replies to Certain Questions of the Day" (Feb 22, 1987) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 this is cool https://brightside.me/article/how-a-child-is-born-4205/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of the child Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sorry phatcatholic not to be rude , but i don't really understand your message asks what angle your coming from on your first paragraph. Yes a child should be respected at conception, and the first thing a baby should witness is love grin the parents and not a decision to kill/abort the baby. The soul long lives with the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Recognising that Life Begins at Conception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr.christinaosf Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 what about twins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Yearning Heart Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Conception. Identical twins are very interesting as the split occurs after the zygote forms, but is still very early (within days). Maybe one soul with one zygote, then another soul when the second starts to form? Can't be measured, but God knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadrePioOfPietrelcino Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I don't have an exact position on this, because there are too many biological anomalies which raise significant questions. Like what about when there are two embyros present and one absorbs the other (I forget the technical term for the process), did one sibling just kill the other? which soul survived? Human Life no doubt begins at conception, but when that life gains personhood is definitely an open question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The souls of the predestined perhaps have always existed belonging to god. These bodies are temporary. On 12/10/2017 at 8:10 AM, Child of the child said: Sorry phatcatholic not to be rude , but i don't really understand your message asks what angle your coming from on your first paragraph. Yes a child should be respected at conception, and the first thing a baby should witness is love grin the parents and not a decision to kill/abort the baby. The soul long lives with the Lord. That be the soul longs to be with the lord. Silly duck billz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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