Illegal Immigrants

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='foundsheep' date='Jul 5 2004, 02:16 AM'] Al, unfortunately it takes about 1500 dollars to apply for and get US citizenship. Obviously places like mexico one would find it hard to raise that cash. The only way to raise it is to come over here and raise it then apply. When an illegal immigrant applies for citizenship they must pay a penalty for being here illegally. [/quote]
I didn't know that. I wish it were cheaper for them.

[quote]The real burden on Americas welfare and Health systems is Legal Americans[/quote].

This I totally agree with and actually see fairly often. I know of people who live (for free or for very VERY cheap) in government housing projects who make enough money to pay rent and buy food, etc. Several people I know who live there are students and aren't actually making more than a few hundred bucks per semester and are paying for school themselves, but there are a couple people..... :angry: I do not approve and it makes me POed. My tax money is giving them housing they can afford on their own! Grrrrrrrr.......

Edited July 5, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS

[ironmonk]

[quote name='foundsheep' date='Jul 5 2004, 03:16 AM'] Al, unfortunately it takes about 1500 dollars to apply for and get US citizenship. Obviously places like mexico one would find it hard to raise that cash. The only way to raise it is to come over here and raise it then apply. When an illegal immigrant applies for citizenship they must pay a penalty for being here illegally.
Now I hear a lot of people say they would be willing to do the work they do but I dont see them running to make 5 bucks a box of oranges and grapes. The Average picker can only generate about 50 bucks a day for themselves doing it. Then like us they pay taxes on the money which they will not see again. Again people say that the taxes they lose helps pay for themselves i.e. such as Healthcare and welfare. But the statistics show that illegal immigrants and all the taxes they pay off their checks could pay for themselves ten fold. The real burden on Americas welfare and Health systems is Legal Americans. The mexican illegal immigrant especially here in California is used as a scapegoat and excuse for others who smell of elderberries these systems dry. [/quote]
Here in FL, the migrant workers make about $100 a week, for working from dawn until about 3 or 4 in the afternoon.

They make about $0.12 per ton of tomatos that they pick.


The Catholic Church teaching is accepting of indentured servants because that is what they are, but the way they get treated goes against Catholic teachings.

Most politicians don't care about them, because they can't vote.

One cool thing that the Social Security Administration has been doing is allowing them to work under Social Security Numbers that are from people long gone... then the money collected goes to help them.... Not to many people know of this, and on the SSN form it even states it in spanish... I know it because I work next to the SSA office.... and at a professional employer company.

Most illegals do pay taxes on their wages (FICA, FUTA, & SUTA).

Though the conditions they live in are not to par, it is still better than being in Mexico.


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited July 5, 2004 by ironmonk

[foundsheep]

[quote]Though the conditions they live in are not to par, it is still better than being in Mexico.[/quote]

Big Amen to that!


Nicely put Iron Monk.

[traichuoi]

[quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Jul 3 2004, 07:05 PM'] i see this alot not only cuz i live near the border, but also peeps i know are from mexico, some are waiting for their green cards, and the ones who do have it hold on to it with dear life.

i mean immigrants are ppl too

families are split apart, danger and many risks are taken but for what? for opportunity and a chance for a decent life for them and their loved ones.

yes, i know there are rules and such , and i know that we can't say, "Come one, come all" but keep in mind, these aren't just immigrants,their human beings too.

tho' i have seen them been abused, discriminated and risk soo much...no insurance, health care, zero help from gov, dont know english, no drivers license, so its hard

how lucky and blest we are in this country of ours........

now i shall go read the link provided above.

proceed.

God bless,
+JMJ+ [/quote]
said it better than i could...

[traichuoi]

something i want to add is that in many other countries, people are being oppressed. and yes, i'm going to go there. think of the time during WWII when there were many immigrants, people running away from oppression. what would we be if we were to turn these people away. even today in China and Vietnam people are being violently persecuted for their faith and their human dignity is being thrashed.

i know there were many Vietnamese people who were trying to escape communism only to be returned to their country...a country where they have no way of truly expressing themselves or providing for their families...

i'm not saying everyone should immigrate to other countries but you can't be mad at these people...they have something they are running from. in the same way saints have had to flee to other places to escape persecution (Saint Ursus and Saint Alban of Mainz)...there should be more mercy, prayer, compassion for these people...

[IcePrincessKRS]

I'm not mad at them, I hope I didn't come across that way (I'm pretty sure I didn't, I did say I welcome them whole heartedly and I definately agree with Flowery and you Traich)! I wish that there wasn't the "need" for immigrants to try and use illegal means to come here. I want for them to be able to come legally and get the jobs they need, etc. Impractical of me? Maybe, but I still wish it could happen.

[qfnol31]

Well, in everything we do we're supposed to follow all of the laws set before us except in cases where it would be immoral to do so.

There are four types of laws (Aquinas) [feel free to correct me where necessary]:
1. Eternal Law (God's law, unchanging)
2. Divine Law (10 Commandments, etc., laws given us by God)
3. Natural Law (participating in eternal law, often referred to as the conscience, inside each person)
4. Human Law (Canon Law, US laws, etc.)

Many people forget about man's laws being something that we are called to follow, especially in the little cases. Illegal immigration is illegal (hence the name ), therefore it is not right as long as it is not immoral to follow. Much of the time (I won't say all of the time, because there are definately cases where illegal immigration would probably be morally acceptable) there is no reason for going against a government's laws regarding who can enter.

I know that the US has some laws, but it probably wouldn't be that difficult to obtain a work visa or something to stay over here. The difference in money made here versus, say, Mexico would probably pay for any charges the government places upon the person wanting to stay here.

[traichuoi]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jul 5 2004, 01:30 AM'] I'm not mad at them, I hope I didn't come across that way (I'm pretty sure I didn't, I did say I welcome them whole heartedly and I definately agree with Flowery and you Traich)! I wish that there wasn't the "need" for immigrants to try and use illegal means to come here. I want for them to be able to come legally and get the jobs they need, etc. Impractical of me? Maybe, but I still wish it could happen. [/quote]
bling bling, didn't mean to make you feel that....i guess "mad" isn't the right word...i just feel as though sometimes we are way too critical or not compassionate where we sometimes forget the person...it really wasn't you that i was replying to...it's more in general...and i understand the whole "illegal" notion...