Paladin D Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I don't understand, what is so wrong about arresting [b]illegal[/b] immigrants? Of course, for those who try to flee from Cuba, it's understandable. But we are suppost to be over-runned? Pretty ignorant on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 On this subject, the Catechism (2241) says: [quote]The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him. Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens. [/quote] So the United States, as a prosperous nation, has a responsibility to let people immigrate here. Also, the US economy currently depends on illegal immigrants to do many of the jobs that US citizens are simply not willing to do. Of course, this blurs the lines even more. You can also check out the pope's statement at World Migration Day 1996: "The Church and Illegal Immigration" [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP950725.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP950725.htm[/url] The pope sums it up better than I ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 well, we're obliged to let them immigrate, but are we obliged to allow them to immigrate without following our rules? There are channels for obtaining citizenship, people who come here illegally should not simply be accepted even though they're [b]illegal[/b]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 i see this alot not only cuz i live near the border, but also peeps i know are from mexico, some are waiting for their green cards, and the ones who do have it hold on to it with dear life. i mean immigrants are ppl too families are split apart, danger and many risks are taken but for what? for opportunity and a chance for a decent life for them and their loved ones. yes, i know there are rules and such , and i know that we can't say, "Come one, come all" but keep in mind, these aren't just immigrants,their human beings too. tho' i have seen them been abused, discriminated and risk soo much...no insurance, health care, zero help from gov, dont know english, no drivers license, so its hard how lucky and blest we are in this country of ours........ now i shall go read the link provided above. proceed. God bless, +JMJ+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 that's true. It just concerns me having people come live here and not doing anything about it while having absolutely no record of their entry into the country, in the age of terrorism and all it's just not a good idea to let illegal immigrants go without being processed through legal immigration channels. I'm like paladin, don't know alot about this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 3 2004, 08:08 PM'] that's true. It just concerns me having people come live here and not doing anything about it while having absolutely no record of their entry into the country, in the age of terrorism and all it's just not a good idea to let illegal immigrants go without being processed through legal immigration channels. I'm like paladin, don't know alot about this issue. [/quote] yeah i agree thats why i went back and edited and said i know we can't say "Come one, come all" cuz really its not possible. but there are many ppl who are striving to make something out of themselves, working twice as hard as someone who makes 5.25 (temp job) but they are getting paid less than half of that for the same job......when the "system" cannot guarantee anything... i know theres a system and such, i really dont know much about it but what i learned in my college government class...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 i also know that the US gov has some exceptions where they can come if they are working......but will never become perms but does allow them to be here... so i know theres different stuff within it...... i read the Pope's link and i agree with him :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 I know I should be all for the illegal immigrants but I just can't! In Australia they were coming in by the boat load with news of arrivals in the papers nearly every day. I can't help thinking about the kind of immage we were sending out. A country that would let any one in; surley this image would get around and more and more people would try to get into the country illegally. Yes Australia can support a minimal amount of immigrants, but where does it stop? How can you give the green to some and not the other? Just one last thought, what is the situation in the UK like these days? I hear that London has public schools with it being compulsory to wear a head scaf for females, and also compulsory Koran lessons. A STATE/PUBLIC school! Can you imagine if a public school tried to enforce Bible study or people to wear crosses? I don't like how our cultures tend to compromise overboard for these people and their religious beliefs. It's starting to happen, Christian events are slowlwy becomming more and more offensive to those of different beliefs. Is it true that in the US, in some states, it is illegal to have anything religous outside e.g. Nativity scenes? Why do you think Christmas is now called the "HOLIDAYS" rather than the "Christmas Holidays"? Just some thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 I am a fan of immigrants. There are a small number in Byron, most of whom I know or have had contact with. Sometimes the Spanglish loses me, lol, but I follow it better than my mum. I think the US should accpet them. Moreover, the make more money in taxs than they cost... so the GOP should love them. But I am also worried about drug running. So I say reform the system, take in more, and stop the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 the GOP isn't the whole gov. iacobus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Jul 3 2004, 08:30 PM'] the GOP isn't the whole gov. iacobus [/quote] No but I have to be ready to counter act Micah. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 [quote]No but I have to be ready to counter act Micah. LOL! [/quote]:crackup: ROFL okay!!! LOL i understand!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 3 2004, 08:58 PM'] well, we're obliged to let them immigrate, but are we obliged to allow them to immigrate without following our rules? There are channels for obtaining citizenship, people who come here illegally should not simply be accepted even though they're [b]illegal[/b]. [/quote] This is sort of how I feel. I also agree with Flowery. I mean, I feel terrible that people feel they have to use illegal means to enter the country, and I certainly welcome immigrants whole heartedly... but I think that when they enter illegally there should be some means of.... not punishment (thats the only word I can think of right now but its not the one I'm, looking for), but a way to "make" them go through the legal hoops to becoming a (legal) citiczen... Does that make sense? I dunno.... pshaw.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Al, unfortunately it takes about 1500 dollars to apply for and get US citizenship. Obviously places like mexico one would find it hard to raise that cash. The only way to raise it is to come over here and raise it then apply. When an illegal immigrant applies for citizenship they must pay a penalty for being here illegally. Now I hear a lot of people say they would be willing to do the work they do but I dont see them running to make 5 bucks a box of oranges and grapes. The Average picker can only generate about 50 bucks a day for themselves doing it. Then like us they pay taxes on the money which they will not see again. Again people say that the taxes they lose helps pay for themselves i.e. such as Healthcare and welfare. But the statistics show that illegal immigrants and all the taxes they pay off their checks could pay for themselves ten fold. The real burden on Americas welfare and Health systems is Legal Americans. The mexican illegal immigrant especially here in California is used as a scapegoat and excuse for others who smell of elderberries these systems dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 By the way if your a pocho say "YEAH"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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