dUSt Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Why does Trump want to ruin Paris' climate? What did Paris ever do to him? I don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The Hiltons are a competitor. The most famous Hilton is named Paris. Plus, Illuminati reasons, and freedom fries. 'Murica First. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 OK, I posted this as a joke, before Trump's announcement. By golly if he didn't say "Pittsburgh comes before Paris" in his announcement. WOW. I'm beginning to think he's not that bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Go Pens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Can someone kindly explain what the big deal is about? Wasn't this Paris deal conjured up not so long ago and now leaving it is the death knell to the entire world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Couldn't meet the targets anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) I don't know why Mr. Trump is pulling out of the agreement - I didn't get past the first few seconds of his TV appearance. This morning as usual I got up, made coffee, and put the telly on for the news. Not long after and me still a bit sleepy Mr Trump walked on to my TV screen - but the moment he opened his mouth, I needed sunglasses. All my eyes would focus on was unnaturally bright white teeth! In some kind of shock, I even ceased hearing what he was saying. Why on earth are people doing this i.e.; having their teeth made startlingly bright, white and unnaturally whitened? 6 minutes ago, dominicansoul said: Can someone kindly explain what the big deal is about? Wasn't this Paris deal conjured up not so long ago and now leaving it is the death knell to the entire world? A commentator on TV this morning called Mr Trump "a pathological attention seeker". Edited June 1, 2017 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, dominicansoul said: Can someone kindly explain what the big deal is about? Wasn't this Paris deal conjured up not so long ago and now leaving it is the death knell to the entire world? There are 197 participants in the deal. The three countries not in are Syria (basically a destroyed State on a civil war), Nicaragua (I believe the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere), and Trump. Trump is pursuing a nativist, nationalist, isolationist, populist agenda, in the midst of a globalised world. That, I think, is the large-scale "big deal." This is just one instance of it. I think we are living in a major historical shift that will only be apparent to the future, something like the Reformation in Europe that completely reshaped the Western world. The world we've had since WWII is in doubt...not just with Trump, but he's the obvious instance. I read something asking what the world will look like if liberal, global democracy fails. We could return to something like modern feudalism, where the world is broken up into self-interested fiefdoms. The question we face is whether the world can work together. Trump has no real vision, he's an opportunist and populist. He'll be gone, but we'll see what kind of world he leaves behind. It's important to realize, though, that he's not just "another president." He has no political vision for his own country or even his own party, let alone for the world. He talks about Pittsburgh and Youngstown and Detroit...like a real estate mogul from New York is gonna revive industrial America. The world is changing, has already changed, and that scares people. That's why he was elected. It baffles me that an articulate politician like Marco Rubio isn't leading his party. I'm not even a Republican. Trump is a freak of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotpink Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Trump did this because he could. If Obama really cared he would of gone through the senate and made it law.... 55 minutes ago, dominicansoul said: Can someone kindly explain what the big deal is about? Wasn't this Paris deal conjured up not so long ago and now leaving it is the death knell to the entire world? It was highly symbolic, as CatherineM stated, the targets were completely untenable. While Trump doesn't make the best decisions for the ecosystem, I actually think he's right here. You don't make agreements that no one can adhere to. In that, I don't think he's wrong. Now, if he could actually care about the environment that would be nice, but holding the US to something we never could do (and lets be real, we couldn't. This isn't about some coal miners in Virginia loosing a job, we'd devastate the economies of many states if the time frame was adhered to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 58 minutes ago, hotpink said: Trump did this because he could. If Obama really cared he would of gone through the senate and made it law.... It was highly symbolic, as CatherineM stated, the targets were completely untenable. While Trump doesn't make the best decisions for the ecosystem, I actually think he's right here. You don't make agreements that no one can adhere to. In that, I don't think he's wrong. Now, if he could actually care about the environment that would be nice, but holding the US to something we never could do (and lets be real, we couldn't. This isn't about some coal miners in Virginia loosing a job, we'd devastate the economies of many states if the time frame was adhered to) I read his speech but didn't get any indication that it's about what is realistic. It seems his decision is the symbol. His speech, and the VP speech introducing him, was like a State of the Union address, a stump speech for his defense. This is something he can point to that he did for his base. His Muslim ban was shot down twice, and who knows what's gonna happen with his Wall. What I got from his speech is the world is out to screw America. He doesn't have any grasp of politics and political dealmaking, all he knows is business deals. They aren't compatible. You can make a deal that, say, might save a few jobs, but what is the larger objective? Coalmining, the wave of the future. When JFK said he would send a man to the moon, it was part of a larger vision, of a new world. All of Trump' s decisions are just about firm handshakes and not letting anyone get over on him. Because he wants to get over on everyone else. I didn't see anything in his speech about climate change, just pure politics. No wonder Pope Francis have him a copy of Laudato Si. Edited June 2, 2017 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 carbon dioxide is not a primary contributor to global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 I do agree that if Obama wanted to make this more permanent he would have went through the senate instead of just taking presidential action to make the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotpink Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 37 minutes ago, Era Might said: I read his speech but didn't get any indication that it's about what is realistic. It seems his decision is the symbol. His speech, and the VP speech introducing him, was like a State of the Union address, a stump speech for his defense. This is something he can point to that he did for his base. His Muslim ban was shot down twice, and who knows what's gonna happen with his Wall. What I got from his speech is the world is out to screw America. He doesn't have any grasp of politics and political dealmaking, all he knows is business deals. They aren't compatible. You can make a deal that, say, might save a few jobs, but what is the larger objective? Coalmining, the wave of the future. When JFK said he would send a man to the moon, it was part of a larger vision, of a new world. All of Trump' s decisions are just about firm handshakes and not letting anyone get over on him. Because he wants to get over on everyone else. I didn't see anything in his speech about climate change, just pure politics. No wonder Pope Francis have him a copy of Laudato Si. He hated the symbol. Rightly so. It is a symbol of everyone playing nice when in reality the ideas are not realistic. He doesn't want be beholden to even that. Why should he play politics or play nice? And why should politics rule over good business decisions? Politics have starved and killed more in places like Africa, USSR and Korea than business ever did. 1 minute ago, dUSt said: I do agree that if Obama wanted to make this more permanent he would have went through the senate instead of just taking presidential action to make the deal. Exactlyyyyy. Those who like Obama and the climate deal should be enraged at Obama, not Trump. He basically set it up so that it could be gotten rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, hotpink said: He hated the symbol. Rightly so. It is a symbol of everyone playing nice when in reality the ideas are not realistic. He doesn't want be beholden to even that. Why should he play politics or play nice? And why should politics rule over good business decisions? Politics have starved and killed more in places like Africa, USSR and Korea than business ever did. The USA is not a business. Political deals are not business deals. He keeps talking about NATO like a business coalition. Yes, everyone needs to contribute adequately, but NATO is a military alliance. The USA was instrumental in the Paris deal, every country but 2 signed on. Now the USA pulls out. What are the ramifications? What will happen in the future When the USA needs critical collaboration in something? What is Russia thinking of Trump's hard line in NATO? Since the USA unilaterally pulls out of deals, what will other nations do? Anyway, I don't want to debate Paris. Trump's message is clear: they're out to get us. The media is out to get us. The foreign capitals like Paris are out to get us. The illegals are out to get us. The covfefe are out to get us. He is playing politics. He's just doing it with his base. He isn't capable of playing politics in any other context. He's a showman, not a statesman. His biggest idea is to build a huge wall. Not to build a League of Nations, not to send a man to the moon, not to achieve international consensus on climate change action. He wants to return to a world of Great Powers. He wants to go back, not forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) USA environmental protection policies compared to china are far far far better than China the USA should boycot imports from them until they clean up there act. Talk about air pollution, take alook at this. https://www.inverse.com/article/32209-air-pollution-smog-beijing-china-cigarettes-unhealthy Beijing saw smog so thick that just breathing for a day was as unhealthy as smoking 40 cigarettes. Edited June 3, 2017 by little2add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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