How Do You Feel About The War?

[crusader1234]

I dont think 'salpingectomies' are sad, I think ectopic pregnancies are sad. Salpingectomies respect the fetus and save the mother - otherwise both die.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 29 2004, 12:23 PM'] by the way crusader, i DONT acknowledge the war as being contrary to Catholic Teaching. i DO acknowledge abortion as being contrary to Catholic Teaching.

pAx [/quote]
* COugh * I believe the Pope was totally against it *Cough *

Not to mention, the whole WMD was a bunch of lies, I mean the CIA, FBI, NSA and the rest of those tax-wasted idiots, have the best and most modern equipment in the world, and they dont know where the WMD's are? or If they ever existed?

The war is totally contrary to Catholic teaching. Its contrary to INTERNATIONAL LAW, but that didnt stop em.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 29 2004, 03:46 PM']
Please stop talking about the Pope being 'for it' like it means the war was o.k. - the Pope was clearly against the war and now is simply aknowledging the fact that Bush is cleaning up his mess.

As for Iacobus' comments about abortion, in an 'ectopic' or 'tubal' pregnancy, the fallopian tube is removed and the fetus dies, rather than the fetus being hacked to pieces and sucked out with a vaccum. This happens in 2.6 percent of all pregnancies.

Peace, Rich [/quote]
yes the Pope was and never will be for the war, but unlike most, he is saying we must move on and now rebuild Iraq.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 29 2004, 12:36 AM'] I dont think 'salpingectomies' are sad, I think ectopic pregnancies are sad. Salpingectomies respect the fetus and save the mother - otherwise both die. [/quote]
Aww, but someone still dies.

[StColette]

exactly qf

[Aloysius]

MorphRC, how old are you? Only reason I'm keepin this topic open in Under 20 is cuz while it's a debate, it's a debate between only ppl under 20. It's a stretch, but i'm allowing it.

I said the Pope is supporting our current actions, while he was always against us going in the first place, he is supportive of our current actions.

Just because the Pope was against it doesn't guarentee it's against Catholic Teaching. When it comes down to a debate about Weapons of Mass Destruction or not and ties to Al Quaida or not it appears to be outside of the realm of Teaching Authority of the Pope. The Pope does not have magical power to see whether or not Saddam's Iraq was a threat to the United States. If it was a threat to the United States, then the war would be against Catholic Teaching, if it was not a threat to the United States, the war would not be against Catholic Teaching. So if you can proove to me that the Power of the Papacy is determining whether or not nations are threats to others, I'll be compelled by Catholic Doctrine to be against the war. I have never seen any such idea in Catholocism.

So, it's whether or not Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States of America. I believe it was, the Pope did not believe it was, Bush believed it was, Michael Moore did not believe it was

and thousands of debates later, I can say the same, the Pope does not believe it was, Bush believes it was, I believe it was, and Michael Moore does not believe it was.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

As to the WMDs, we knew Saddam at one point had x number of WMDs. The UN resolution demanded he get rid of em. We got fed up after 12 yrs because there were still some unaccounted for, and demanded that he tell us what happened to them. So long as we don't know what happened to them, we must assume they're still in the hands of that madman. I mean, we already found i think by now 2 canisters of Sarin Gas (very deadly, developed by the nazis) and paperwork prooving that Saddam was lying to the inspectors. We've found documentation of a relationship between the Regime and Osama Bin Laden, there's lots of info out there showing a relationship that dates back about 10 years between the two. The 911 commission declared there was no collaboration between Iraq and Al Quaida in planning 911. There was most certainly, however, a relationship between Iraq and Al Quaida, Saddam simply never participated in planning 911, Saddam probably was just not let in on that scheme.

Anyway, not only the Al Quaida relationship, Saddam was a funder of terrorists. He gave money to the families of the Palistinean Suicide Bombers.

Saddam had WMDs, was developing the ability to create WMDs, and links to terrorists. That constitutes in my mind, a threat to the United States of America.

pAx

[Aloysius]

okay, morph, i went in your profile and did the math, for some reason i thought you were older. you may continue to participate.

[crusader1234]

Al, I'm sure you know this, but even if the Pope says something non-ex Cathedra, we are still supposed to listen to it. It just isn't infallible. Saying the Pope is wrong on something is a very grave accusation.

[MorphRC]

[b]B-Day:[/b] 19th Nov 1984 ->> 19th Nov 2004 = 20

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 29 2004, 04:31 PM'] okay, morph, i went in your profile and did the math, for some reason i thought you were older. you may continue to participate. [/quote]
Id say No Problem in Japanese if I could remember..lol But Np.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 29 2004, 01:12 AM'] Al, I'm sure you know this, but even if the Pope says something non-ex Cathedra, we are still supposed to listen to it. It just isn't infallible. Saying the Pope is wrong on something is a very grave accusation. [/quote]
Crusader, I'm sure you know this, the Pope has a spectrum of expertise in which we are supposed to listen to him when he says something about something. Sadly, that expertise does not encompass the tactical threat posed by a particular nation. There is no Papal teaching authority which encompasses whether or not Saddam Hussein was hiding WMDs, whether or not he posed an long imminent threat, and the like. There is no Church Teaching Authority over that. I am not being an infallibility obsesses, if it's not infallible i'll decide whether to believe it or not type person, i submit to the Church's teaching. But the Pope's stance on the war was his political stance. That's like if the pope said Trickle Down economics don't work so hey're unjust. Now, the Teaching Authority of the Church does not encompass economics, so this is clearly not a teaching within the Papal Office but rather an economic opinion. There is a realm of expertise which the office of the Papacy is bound by, anything said by a pope outside of that realm is just the opinion of a man who happens to be Pope.