MorphRC Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='StColette' date='Jun 28 2004, 03:27 PM'] ROFL !!! St.Colette cared for Animals, and I'm pre-vet so it works lol [/quote] Miss. Vet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 27 2004, 10:51 PM'] I find it funny how people ask a question about the war and get answers about abortion. Tells you a lot about cough *cafeteria Catholics* [/quote] I was addressing the comment made by musicchick. I don't think being pro-life makes you a "cafeteria Catholic" by any means. I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but that's the way I saw it. Don't just toss around that term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby C Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 [quote]If he isn't re-elected, Kerry will be elected and screw up our society even more by allowing the brutal murder of innocent children within the womb. I'd rather have war than that, thank you.[/quote] I dont know. I am kinda ok with abortions. What if their is something really going to be wrong with the baby like it will die because of a disease shortly after it is born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='baby C' date='Jun 28 2004, 03:29 PM'] I dont know. I am kinda ok with abortions. What if their is something really going to be wrong with the baby like it will die because of a disease shortly after it is born. [/quote] if you are ok with abortions --> then you cannot consider yourself to be a Catholic. it's that simple. no matter the case, we want the baby to live, even if it will be only for a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote]Its unjust, and was useless. The amount of money Bush is spending on Iraq alone, could solve so many problems in America, I read healthcare aint exactly 'civilized' their. Much like here, Howard could have spent that money on more hospital beds and nurses, instead of some schmuck in the middle east, which they could have taken out with missiles anyway, sooner or later. [/quote] Good point... the amount spent on the war is disgusting, epsecially considering the amount it would cost for solving world hunger according to the UN. [quote]I was addressing the comment made by musicchick. I don't think being pro-life makes you a "cafeteria Catholic" by any means. I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but that's the way I saw it. Don't just toss around that term. [/quote] I'm not saying that pro-life = cafeteria Catholic... quite the opposite actually. I'm just pointing out that a lot of people aknowledge the war as being contrary to Catholic teaching, but say that Abortion is the only issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 wait, the UN knows how much it costs to end world hunger? did it factor in how much it would cost to topple all the dictators who are the real reason people are starving? you know what, i betchya it didn't. and knowing the UN it probably factored in population control policies being imposed on other countries. world hunger is caused by evil governments who won't distribute food even when people like the United States send it to them. We could invest every cent of our money into getting food to those people, it's not gonna fix world hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 by the way crusader, i DONT acknowledge the war as being contrary to Catholic Teaching. i DO acknowledge abortion as being contrary to Catholic Teaching. pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Well obviosuly... abortion is NEVER justified. If you concretely believe that the war is just (even though the Pope didn't ) it doesnt make you a cafeteria Catholic. Aknowledging something as contrary to teachings and ignoring it anyways would make you a cafeteria Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 why thank you. lol, now that I have your endorsement I can know I'm not a cafeteria Catholic anyway, the Pope is FOR all of the actions Bush is now taking in Iraq now, so that's cool. He was against goin to war in the first place, but now he's supportive of the Interim Gov't' and stuff. Hey, wasn't that cool by the way, 2 days early and all anyway, yeah. pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 28 2004, 09:22 PM'] Well obviosuly... abortion is NEVER justified. If you concretely believe that the war is just (even though the Pope didn't ) it doesnt make you a cafeteria Catholic. Aknowledging something as contrary to teachings and ignoring it anyways would make you a cafeteria Catholic. [/quote] Well it is in some cases like an atopic or something (or so I heard). I don't know, lol. But overall in 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the cases abortion is murder. And about caf. Caths and pro life. I think there are a ton of Catholics out there who claim to be pro life and are really just anti abortion. Pro life is more than anti abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 28 2004, 09:27 PM'] anyway, the Pope is FOR all of the actions Bush is now taking in Iraq now, so that's cool. He was against goin to war in the first place, but now he's supportive of the Interim Gov't' and stuff. Hey, wasn't that cool by the way, 2 days early and all [/quote] LOL! Yes he is. The rule of internatiol poltics is the Pottery Barn rule. You break it you fix it. JP2 sees Bush broke Iraq, Bush needs to fix Iraq. You hear they are incease US troops in Iraq now that the handover took place. We are going to have more troop there this fall than we did ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Abortion is NEVER justified actually. Procedures that attempt to save both the mother and the baby in rare cases that tend to put the baby in danger of death are sometimes justified in those rare cases. This is not an abortion. You may never directly abort a baby. I guess "you break it, you fix it" is alright. but let's just remember, he broke a defective product (a rogue nation run by a madman who defied international law) and is now attempting to fix it to be a free nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote]why thank you. lol, now that I have your endorsement I can know I'm not a cafeteria Catholic anyway, the Pope is FOR all of the actions Bush is now taking in Iraq now, so that's cool. He was against goin to war in the first place, but now he's supportive of the Interim Gov't' and stuff. Hey, wasn't that cool by the way, 2 days early and all anyway, yeah. pAx [/quote] Please stop talking about the Pope being 'for it' like it means the war was o.k. - the Pope was clearly against the war and now is simply aknowledging the fact that Bush is cleaning up his mess. As for Iacobus' comments about abortion, in an 'ectopic' or 'tubal' pregnancy, the fallopian tube is removed and the fetus dies, rather than the fetus being hacked to pieces and sucked out with a vaccum. This happens in 2.6 percent of all pregnancies. Peace, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 29 2004, 12:16 AM'] As for Iacobus' comments about abortion, in an 'ectopic' or 'tubal' pregnancy, the fallopian tube is removed and the fetus dies, rather than the fetus being hacked to pieces and sucked out with a vaccum. This happens in 2.6 percent of all pregnancies. [/quote] A "salpingectomy" which is acceptable under moral standards. Very sad however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 A similar procedure, which is wrong, is a salpingostomy. It is where the fetus is directly destroyed. In this case it would be murder because the fetus is directly acted upon, while in the salpingectomy the baby isn't touched. The only way that is moral (the salpingectomy) is because if the doctors could, the would save the fetus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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