havok579257 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i'm not attacking catholic beliefs because it's not catholic belief that sins should be outlawed. there are probably just a small minority of catholics who think that way. to the rest of the world those kinds of beliefs are ridiculous. aside from that i was just defending my posts. i regret being so combative but as far as i can tell it was a baseless charge to say i was being circular, and i would have to conclude that a smart person like peace would be forced to admit it if he hadn't closed discussion. i stand open to correction if anyone else wants to explain it, but i think it is really an indefensible charge. america and other countries do outlaw some sexual sins and i have yet to hear the vast majority complain. we out law rape, adult sex with children and the such. are you suggesting we should not outlaw those sexual sins? are you advocating that all sexual sins should be legalized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 i think you know what i meant. sins that don't very directly affect other people. there are always those who say adultery or masterbatuion etc is bad for society, but it's a detached kind of effect. at any rate, yes the vast majority would find a problem if you said they couldn't remarry or masturbate or eat too much, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i think you know what i meant. sins that don't very directly affect other people. there are always those who say adultery or masterbatuion etc is bad for society, but it's a detached kind of effect. at any rate, yes the vast majority would find a problem if you said they couldn't remarry or masturbate or eat too much, or whatever. who has said that masturbation on ones own house should be illegal? who are these people who always say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 two people have voted mastrbation should be outlawed. that's the point of this thread. i dont know how else one would outlaw it, should i assume they meant outlaw it in public, or as a religous rule? i dont think i'm missing anything here and it looks like most everyone is on the same page here. we might be talking past each other with the word "always". all i said was there are people who 'always' will claim that personal sins affect society as a whole so there is direct enough connection to outlaw it. i wasn't saying they always say masturbation in their house should alwys be outlawed. i might be misunderstanding why you said "always" etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said: two people have voted mastrbation should be outlawed. that's the point of this thread. i dont know how else one would outlaw it, should i assume they meant outlaw it in public, or as a religous rule? i dont think i'm missing anything here and it looks like most everyone is on the same page here. we might be talking past each other with the word "always". all i said was there are people who 'always' will claim that personal sins affect society as a whole so there is direct enough connection to outlaw it. i wasn't saying they always say masturbation in their house should alwys be outlawed. i might be misunderstanding why you said "always" etc again, who are these people proposing masturbation in one's private residence be outlawed? do you have specific people or are you just talking hypothetical people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 i dont understand why you are asking that. again, two people in this poll have said masturbation should be outlawed. i dont know how they are, i assume peace is one of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i dont understand why you are asking that. again, two people in this poll have said masturbation should be outlawed. i dont know how they are, i assume peace is one of them though. so why did you ask this question to begin with? where did it come from? was your question purely hypothetical based on something you were thinking about? is there a specific reason you asked this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I voted yes to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 5 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: it's not catholic belief that sins should be outlawed wrong "Dairygirl4u2c", to sin is to fail. It is wrong to sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sodomy was illegal in all states for years and years. Decriminalization began in the 1970's, and the Supreme Court case Lawrence vs. Texas (2003) effectively decriminalized it nationally. I don't know that masturbation was ever defined in law as illegal. The point being that, historically, sodomy has always been illegal in this country (as was abortion, and gay marriage, and marijuana, and gambling [in most states]. One could argue that the current laws are anomalous and we should return to the previous standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 On 3/21/2017 at 10:38 AM, Luigi said: Sodomy was illegal in all states for years and years. Decriminalization began in the 1970's, and the Supreme Court case Lawrence vs. Texas (2003) effectively decriminalized it nationally. I don't know that masturbation was ever defined in law as illegal. The point being that, historically, sodomy has always been illegal in this country (as was abortion, and gay marriage, and marijuana, and gambling [in most states]. One could argue that the current laws are anomalous and we should return to the previous standard. masturbation wasn't outlawed, nor premarital sex. and there are a host of sins that weren't outlawed. that includes most other places, historically. sure people jumped on the sodomy bandwagon but sins personal to the masses weren't banned. youd have to show a lot more to say there's firm precedent here, especially if we took outlawing certain sins to its conclusion and just starting outlawing all sins. even the old testament didn't outlaw masturbation or premarital sex, and there was plenty thatw wasn't outlawed then. plus it's one thing to have such religous laws in an area that has a state religion, and it's another thing to do it in a secular society that predates those types of views at its foundation. i'm mostly curious how many sins were outlawed by nonchristian societies based on christian principles. i dont think the evidence is there. basically you have a lot more burden to show we shoould be gung ho on banning sins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 i say it's more telling what hasn't been banned historically, than what has been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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