dairygirl4u2c Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Would you support a law outlawing silly questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WhiteLily Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Please stop posting silly memes and things related to sex. There is a grown up thread for these kind of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 We already have a law that outlaws both of those things (the moral law). It is not a law that is imposed by the state, but the reality and consequences of it are no less real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 i just wanted to see how many people would vote yes to these. i know these types of people are out there. i also wanted to see if people held different standards to the two types. people should respect individual autonomy even if that means people sinning. voting yes on this is sinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i just wanted to see how many people would vote yes to these. i know these types of people are out there. i also wanted to see if people held different standards to the two types. people should respect individual autonomy even if that means people sinning. voting yes on this is sinful. No. You are wrong. Sinful under what principle? We already have other laws on the books that are aimed at preventing people from harming themselves (such as drug prohibitions). Engaging in the two sins above is also harmful to the individual and could in theory be prohibited by the state for that reason. The reason why we don't, of course, is that it is very impractical to implement or enforce laws like that (and perhaps there are Constitutional limits as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 11 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i just wanted to see how many people would vote yes to these. i know these types of people are out there. i also wanted to see if people held different standards to the two types. people should respect individual autonomy even if that means people sinning. voting yes on this is sinful. please explain how under catholic moral teaching this would be sinful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) i can find all kinds of bible verses that say we should respect one another. respect transcends most religions. it's also unamerican to want to outlaw all the sins out there, or even bigger ones like sodomy and fornication. you can make the case that historically it might have been american, such as when they outlalwed sodomy, but those days are long gone. true conservatives, libertarians, dont invade people's autonomy and privacy either, it's not just liberals. it's no better than all those muslims who want to impose their religion on society.... if all you ca see is that you have the "true" religion and they dont, you miss the point and your religion is suspect anyway. cause really is is fighting words wanting to outlaw all the sins out there, any movement trying to do so would be suppressed to the point of war, if necessary. of course if that minority of people actually passed their sinful laws, maybe they aren't in the minority any more and would stand a fighting chance. trying to outlaw every sin out there, not respecting individual autonomy and such, is a sin that cries out to heaven. Edited March 18, 2017 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: i can find all kinds of bible verses that say we should respect one another. Keep up the good work. I suggest that you keep reading it. Quote respect transcends most religions. OK, but we are not talking about whether persons should be respected. Everyone agrees on that. We are discussing whether specific actions should be legalized or prohibited. The Bible is full of respect of persons, but it is also full of prohibitions against sinful actions. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Quote it's also unamerican to want to outlaw all the sins out there, or even bigger ones like sodomy and fornication. you can make the case that historically it might have been american, such as when they outlalwed sodomy, but those days are long gone. true conservatives, libertarians, dont invade people's autonomy and privacy either, it's not just liberals. I do not particularly care if something is American, unAmerican, liberal, conservative, or whatever. I care about whether it is right or wrong. Quote it's no better than all those muslims who want to impose their religion on society.... Nobody here is talking about imposing religion on anyone. We are talking about prohibiting action that is sinful (and harmful) to individuals. Quote if all you ca see is that you have the "true" religion and they dont, you miss the point and your religion is suspect anyway. Nobody said anything about that. If you want to prohibit it simply for secular reasons, such secular reasons are plentiful. Both of the sins that you mention in your poll are harmful to people regardless of religion. Quote cause really is is fighting words wanting to outlaw all the sins out there, any movement trying to do so would be suppressed to the point of war, if necessary. Maybe. But this is pure speculation. You have not demonstrated this. It is just the opinion of a random person on the internet named "dairygirl". Quote of course if that minority of people actually passed their sinful laws, maybe they aren't in the minority any more and would stand a fighting chance. trying to outlaw every sin out there, not respecting individual autonomy and such, is a sin that cries out to heaven. No. The laws would not be sinful, and you have not demonstrated that they are sinful. You are asserting what it is that you need to prove. Your argument is entirely circular. Edited March 18, 2017 by Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Peace said: Your argument is entirely circular. Welcome to the rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) "Your argument is entirely circular." according to your logic, simply having an opinion must be circular. 'i like pizza'.... circular reasoning. according to your logic, your reasoning is just as circular as mine. i used a premise other than my own opinion so it's not that circular and even if it was my own premise it's just an opinion so it's still not circular. you need to brush up on your logic skills and stop being so sophomoric. "the bible says to not be disrespectful. disrespect is sinful. i believe your action was disrespectful thus sinful". in what world is this circular? i can't even make sense of how someone could say that, but then again it's nonsensical to make such a claim so of course it's incomprehensible. Edited March 20, 2017 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: "Your argument is entirely circular." according to your logic, simply having an opinion must be circular. 'i like pizza'.... circular reasoning. according to your logic, your reasoning is just as circular as mine. i used a premise other than my own opinion so it's not that circular and even if it was my own premise it's just an opinion so it's still not circular. you need to brush up on your logic skills and stop being so sophomoric. "the bible says to not be disrespectful. disrespect is sinful. i believe your action was disrespectful thus sinful". in what world is this circular? i can't even make sense of how someone could say that, but then again it's nonsensical to make such a claim so of course it's incomprehensible. Sorry. I have no more time for this. I am going to have to follow the example of my learned brethren here and simply ignore you. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Peace said: "the bible says to not be disrespectful. disrespect is sinful. And it also says: Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap 9 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said: you need to brush up on your logic skills and stop being so sophomoric. Besides sounding disingenuous, do you really think it's logical to mock Catholic beliefs and principles by asking such questions on this site? Edited March 20, 2017 by little2add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) i'm not attacking catholic beliefs because it's not catholic belief that sins should be outlawed. there are probably just a small minority of catholics who think that way. to the rest of the world those kinds of beliefs are ridiculous. aside from that i was just defending my posts. i regret being so combative but as far as i can tell it was a baseless charge to say i was being circular, and i would have to conclude that a smart person like peace would be forced to admit it if he hadn't closed discussion. i stand open to correction if anyone else wants to explain it, but i think it is really an indefensible charge. Edited March 20, 2017 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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