Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Josh said: The False prophet will be the Anti-Pope. Read the prophecy from Bishop Sheen. He's not the only Catholic to prethis either. Also this Protestant Prophecy as well. It's agreed upon. “The False Prophet (Anti-pope) will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit church. Christ’s Church [the Catholic Church] will be one. And the False Prophet will create the other. The false church will be worldly ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches. And religions forming some type of global association. A world parliament of churches. It will be emptied of all divine content and will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from among our bishops.” - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen Ok, if you want to believe it since you are entitled to your opinion. But Bishop Fulton J. Sheen for all his gifts and even genius, perhaps even outstanding virtue, was not and is not infallible. Catholics are not called by The Church to hold to what the bishop has said. We are not even called to believe in the writings of saints as infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack4 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 What are you actually saying, @Josh ? Share your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Jack4 said: What are you actually saying, @Josh ? Share your thoughts. Hey Jack I pretty much layed it out in the other thread. http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/143996-hmm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Josh said: What I am saying is a large number of Catholics are ignorant of the Book of Revelation. They are ignorant of there being a literal final False Prophet (Anti- Pope) and Antichrist that will deceive the entire world and even the elect. They are ignorant of the Mark Of The Beast. They are ignorant that the final Antichrist comes before Jesus and will have all sorts of supernatural signs and miracles. And that the False Prophet will assist him. This is going to happen with a future pope turned anti-pope. I clearly said Francis is a valid pope but if you're observant you can see how parts of this papacy will play out when that time does come. Since this post will be on the internet forever maybe it will be read when the time comes. Who knows when that will be. 20 years from now or 200. "Do not be afraid any longer, little flock, for your Father is pleased to give you the kingdom." (Luke 12) "And behold, I am with you even to the consummation of the world". I really do not think that Catholics are as ignorant as you claim re the Book of Revelations. What they were ignorant of until more or less recent times is all the nutty predictions about it as being upon us, almost upon us -whatever and what is happening or about to happen. Truth is the Book of Revelations has been upon us since the death and resurrection of Jesus. We are in the end times now. What exactly that means we have some indications without knowing precise details as a surety nor when Jesus will Return Glorious and the final confrontation with Satan take place after The Church goes through her final terrible trial (see the CCC), but if we are going to screw ourselves up completely livid with fear and attempt to screw others up in the same way.........we most certainly are on the wrong track and not a work of The Holy Spirit we can be very sure of that. Dire predictions every so often that the terrors of the Book of Revelations with one revelation of detail or another are upon us, has been with us since the times of St Paul. I'm switching off this computer. A big day tomorrow again, but at least thankfully now free of problems with Housing SA. Deo Gratius Laudate Dominum in all things regardless. "Pure Love casts out fear" Jesus tells us. Pure Love is a Gift of The Holy Spirit...........fear is not a gift nor fruit of The Holy Spirit.........it is everything contrary to The Holy Spirit except for one of the 7 Gifts of The Holy Spirit "Fear of The Lord" and fear of The Lord, the book of Wisdom tells us, is the beginning of wisdom. But then some get the meaning of "Fear of The Lord' all screwed up too. Edited January 31, 2017 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack4 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Your OP in this thread. The thread title. Ecumenism: Share your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think it's pretty clear “The False Prophet (Anti-pope) will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit church. Christ’s Church [the Catholic Church] will be one. And the False Prophet will create the other. The false church will be worldly ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches. And religions forming some type of global association. A world parliament of churches. It will be emptied of all divine content and will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from among our bishops.” - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack4 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Josh said: I think it's pretty clear “The False Prophet (Anti-pope) will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit church. Christ’s Church [the Catholic Church] will be one. And the False Prophet will create the other. The false church will be worldly ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches. And religions forming some type of global association. A world parliament of churches. It will be emptied of all divine content and will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from among our bishops.” - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen You agree with the quote. But the Church has changed discipline, not doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) I think Non Catholic Christians are Christians. I agree with the Church on that. I believe they are in Christ. They are our separated brethren. *Separated Brethren being the key word. Edited January 31, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 20 hours ago, Josh said: Maybe he wasn't speaking infallibley. that just made me smile..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 *Infallibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Bless you @dUSt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Whatever suits you. I know it's tough for Catholics to accept the fact the False Prophet will be a pope turned anti-pope. I know it's tough for a lot of Catholics to accept the Book of Revelation is actually going to happen. Or that all these Catholics (75% between the age of 19- 30) (60% of all Catholics who go to Mass every week) approve of and support gay martiage. That this is the final attack of Satan warned about at Fatima. Troubling times indeed. Ignoring it won't make it go away. And being ignorant of the prophecies of Revelation and thinking that It's not going to happen won't change the fact it is going to happen. The Antichrist comes before Jesus along with the False Prophet. It will involve the chair of the pope (Anti-pope) and the combining of all religions. Revelation 1:3 ► Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. Revelation 2:29 ► Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Edited January 31, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” — St. Catherine of Siena, Umm no thanks... Edited January 31, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 *NEW BISHOP BARRON INTERVIEW* Ruben: You’re personal feelings on this matter…I assume you felt it was the wrong decision by the Court – is that fair to say? Bishop Barron: Yeah, no, I do, but I don’t think I want to press it much further, I think where we are right now in the States, I’ll apply the Aquinas principle, I think it would probably cause much more problem and dissension and difficulty if we kept pressing it. Ruben: Is this one of the things where, I sense that your heart and your spiritual sense-self, maybe aren’t quite matched up, because I don’t sense judgment from you sitting here, I really don’t and I don’t sense that you want – that you would try to legislate to reverse the decision but I also sense that you can’t fully say to me well it’s okay. Bishop Barron: Yeah that’s probably right the way you just put it there is probably right. I wouldn’t want to fully just say that’s great off you go, at the same time I wouldn’t want to get on a crusader’s tank and try to reverse that…” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 9 hours ago, Josh said: Very interesting in both the hmm threads dealing with significant end times issues @BarbaraTherese gets very angry at these fundamental truths being shared. You are very wrong, Josh. I am not angry at all with the truths of the end times and what The Church teaches about them, rather I uphold them and proclaim them, give my personal commitment and belief in them. St Mary of The Cross advised "do what you can and then leave the rest to God". Deo Gratius Laudate Dominum in all things regardless ......au revoir.......the journey and into the unfoldings in the real world............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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