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What on earth does that mean?  What are you saying, inferring, getting an opinion about, whatever rationalization you are using, Josh?

Certainly "They have persecuted Me and they will persecute you" seems appropriate to these crazy posts.

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So, you are saying that God never surprises us - therefore the title "God of The Surprise" is false?  Have you never been surprised by some event or some Grace, some surprising outcome etc., something in your journey that completely took you by surprise?  Refer to The Doctrine of Divine Providence in the CCC.

Are you saying that Pope Francis is a false prophet?  Make your own point of view clear which you are concluding from these memes and quotes you are making.  The division in The Church is not coming about through Pope Francis, rather from those against him and at times quite violently in nature.  A work of The Holy Spirit, I don't think so.

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Catholic Culture https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=832

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The statements about false prophets to which loumiamo7154 refers in Matthew 7 are echoed in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. These last three texts are more difficult to interpret because they refer to the end times and are apocalyptic in character, but there is no question that Our Lord warns against them. More helpful is His advice in the reference loumiamo7154 himself provides: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits” (Mt 7:15-17).

 

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4 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

Are you saying that Pope Francis is a false prophet? 

This quote from Bishop Sheen isn't talking about a false prophet. It's talking about THE FALSE PROPHET from the book of Revelations that will aid the Antichrist in deceiving even the elect and the whole world. As for your question no I'm not saying Pope Francis is a false prophet or THE FALSE PROPHET from Revelations. He's our valid pope. What I am saying is no one knows when but at some point the Antichrist and the False Prophet will arive. And both Protestant and Catholic prophecies say a Anti-pope will be involved and deceive even the elect. He will be the false prophet and tons of Catholics will follow him instead of God and the truth. And as a result will be deceived by the Antichrist.

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"The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

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What on earth are you on about now, Josh?

48 minutes ago, Josh said:

"The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

Seems to me that due to successful and rampant advertising by those opposed to Catholicism including among journalists is being followed, quoted, admired and advocated.  These fear mongers are being read by the ordinary everyday 'little' Catholic and scaring them silly.  Who can wage war against such a vicious and violent onslaught - we can, we most certainly can! Or we can fall in with it all afraid to swim against the tide of forceful opinion of all kinds - and taken in by a whole lot of nonsense. 

"If God is with us, then who can be against us" ........... "They have persecuted Me and they will persecute you".  Certainly Pope Francis is under persecution now and by his own too.

St Paul was absolutely horrified to find out that some were quoting him, some others and some others again and arguing with each other.  If I have to drag out the quote, I will.  St Paul asks, were you baptised in my name? No you were not.  Did I die for you? No I did not.  Did any of these others you are quoting - saying I am for this one, I am for that one, I for someone else and creating all sorts of infighting and arguing amongst yourselves?  No you were baptised in the name of none of these, nor did they die for you.  You were baptised in the name of Jesus and Jesus died for you.  For the sake of Goodness, please stop this ridiculous situation, infighting and arguing creating division.  This is not a work of The Holy Spirit!

St Paul too was probably the first person to bring about a major change in The Church's direction through embracing the gentiles as well.  Major changes have occurred all through our history, why then must now we fear and abhor change and desire to return to what was?  It is the same situation Jesus faced with the Pharisees.  The Pharisees did not want change, they wanted the status quo that suited them. Finally, Jesus is murdered at their instigation to protect their precious rules and regulations etc.

I am yet to read convincingly where Pope Francis is wrong.  I have an open mind Peacefully.  I am waiting and praying for it all to unravel as it will in time and wait for the outcome.  All these cardinals and archbishops, theologians wading in with all sorts of arguments are simply blinding the ordinary everyday Catholic with science we cannot fully understand.....and in many instances driving people from The Church.  This is NOT a work of The Holy Spirit.  The fruits of The Holy Spirit are:

Charity, Joy, Peace, Patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self control and chastity.

What is happening in The Church now is NOT A WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT "By their fruits you will know them" (false prophets) 

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Revelation 1:3 ►

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

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You're good at it and I can see what it is, Josh........I'll give you that!:hehe2:

I laughed when I first saw the meme in the opening post.  It has an image of Satan with his message underneath.  I thought to myself, "What on earth is Josh up to this time?"  Then when you actually posted, I had to laugh again.  Yep, Josh, you sure are good at it!

I strongly suggest, Josh, that you read the online copy by Fr. Michael Fallon MSC (South Australian Missionary of The Sacred Heart and a scripture scholar of renown) the book "Apocalypse" onine at http://mbfallon.com/apocalypse.html and update yourself on what the Book of Revelation is all about - what it really means, verse by verse.

I must now email, Fr Michael, and thank him very much for putting the book online.  I have a well circulated copy that was a complete surprise to many shaking in psychic conflict over the book of Revelations.  My previous suburb was rife with quite a few doomsday cults, some of whom I infiltrated to find out what on earth was going on and being spread abroad largely to teenagers but not only.  I have written to Fr Michael a few times.  I prayed fervently and with conviction for Fr Michael to live to publish commentary on The Old Testament too...........and he has............Deo Gratius, Laudate Dominum in all things regardless.Amen.

Fear mongering.

noun: fear-mongering
  1. the action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue.
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Leave it to Catholics to deny the book of Revelation, The False Prophet and Antichrist. Crazy. Bishop Sheen is spelling it out for you yet you still deny it. I have to remember this was the place that told me I wasn't educated enough to read Revelations and to leave it to the Scholars. The people with degrees. Even though the Bible clearly says in Revelation 1:3 ► Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near

Just now, Papist said:

Josh,

Stop pasting quotes and straight out say what you are trying to convey in these quotes.  

 

Just now, Josh said:

This quote from Bishop Sheen isn't talking about a false prophet. It's talking about THE FALSE PROPHET from the book of Revelations that will aid the Antichrist in deceiving even the elect and the whole world. As for your question no I'm not saying Pope Francis is a false prophet or THE FALSE PROPHET from Revelations. He's our valid pope. What I am saying is no one knows when but at some point the Antichrist and the False Prophet will arive. And both Protestant and Catholic prophecies say a Anti-pope will be involved and deceive even the elect. He will be the false prophet and tons of Catholics will follow him instead of God and the truth. And as a result will be deceived by the Antichrist.

 

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Where in Scripture anywhere is it stated that an anti-pope will deceive the elect at some point when the anti-Christ and false prophet will arrive?

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The False prophet that aids the Antichrist will be a Anti-Pope. Read the prophecy from Bishop Sheen. He's not the only Catholic to predict this either.                                                                                     “The False Prophet (Anti-pope) will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit church. Christ’s Church [the Catholic Church] will be one. And the False Prophet will create the other. The false church will be worldly ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches. And religions forming some type of global association. A world parliament of churches. It will be emptied of all divine content and will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from among our bishops.” - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

 

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18 minutes ago, Josh said:

Leave it to Catholics to deny the book of Revelations, The False Prophet and Antichrist. Crazy. Bishop Sheen is spelling it out for you yet you still deny it. I have to remember this was the place that told me I wasn't educated enough to read Revelations and leave it to the Scholars. 

What on earth are you saying, Josh.  That Catholics (pretty sweeping statement!) deny the book of Revelations?  I don't get it, are you now not Catholic.  Don't worry yourself about what others say or you really will go crazy in your journey.  All Catholics should read Scripture.  The book of Revelations on face value can be difficult to understand - but Fr Michael's book available on line can help understanding what it actually means and says.  The book is a blessing by a scripture scholar of some renown.

Why are you quoting human beings, Josh, and investing fully in what they have to say?  We have Scripture and what the Gospels tell us - as well as what The Church is teaching.  If you must quote human beings, then a link would be helpful so your quotations can be put into context.  Or if you are quoting from some other form, to give the information what that form might be.

Another point is that these human beings you are quoting, are you saying that their thoughts are infallible and that we all must believe as you seem to do.........wrongly since they are not infallible at all.

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Just now, BarbaraTherese said:

What on earth are you saying, Josh.  That Catholics (pretty sweeping statement!) deny the book of Revelations?  

What I am saying is a large number of Catholics are ignorant of the Book of Revelation. They are ignorant of there being a literal final False Prophet (Anti- Pope) and Antichrist that will deceive the entire world and even the elect. They are ignorant of the Mark Of The Beast. They are ignorant that the final Antichrist comes before Jesus and will have all sorts of supernatural signs and miracles. And that the False Prophet will assist him. This is going to happen with a future pope turned anti-pope. I clearly said Francis is a valid pope but if you're observant you can see how parts of this papacy will play out when that time does come. Since this post will be on the internet forever maybe it will be read when the time comes. Who knows when that will be. 20 years from now or 200.

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