Guest Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 http://theweek.com/articles/670249/child-abuse-scandal-coming-pope-francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The phatmass homepage is the only place I get MY Catholic news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The shocking scandal of child abuse in The Church is hot news - sensationalism attracts public attention, it sells or it 'sells'. Criticism of Pope Francis, including media criticism, rather often pops up on Phatmass. The language used reveals the bias - as use of language in any form most always does on any subject. There is no actual source for the info in the article quoted other than "there is reported", "two people with direct ties to The Vatican". There is also a couple of "perhaps" and an "apparently" in the article. According to the article too nothing is being confirmed officially. Apparently (the article states) Pope Francis has not decided anything as yet re transferring cases of priests who have abused from the Doctrine of The Faith to Congregation of The Clergy and The Rota. He has merely sought information about such a transfer (if the article is correct). Nor has Pope Francis apparently (the article states) made any firm decision on anything else the article has to state. I would take no notice at all of the article at all. Problem is, those that do take notice (as gossip can travel around) gleaned from sensationalist and biased media, will probably soon be gossiping that what the article is commenting about is actually happening. It isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Just now, BarbaraTherese said: The shocking scandal of child abuse in The Church is hot news - sensationalism attracts public attention, it sells or it 'sells'. Criticism of Pope Francis, including media criticism, rather often pops up on Phatmass. The language used reveals the bias - as use of language in any form most always does on any subject. There is no actual source for the info in the article quoted other than "there is reported", "two people with direct ties to The Vatican". There is also a couple of "perhaps" and an "apparently" in the article. According to the article too nothing is being confirmed officially. Apparently (the article states) Pope Francis has not decided anything as yet re transferring cases of priests who have abused from the Doctrine of The Faith to Congregation of The Clergy and The Rota. He has merely sought information about such a transfer (if the article is correct). Nor has Pope Francis apparently (the article states) made any firm decision on anything else the article has to state. I would take no notice at all of the article at all. Problem is, those that do take notice (as gossip can travel around) gleaned from sensationalist and biased media, will probably soon be gossiping that what the article is commenting about is actually happening. It isn't. What I find the most disturbing is the Pope reinstated this Priest who Benedict removed.This Priest was then on councils having to do with the family then got arrested for again abusing teens. Why did you comment on this? On 2 January, the Vatican published a letter from Pope Francis to the world’s bishops in which he reminded them that they must show ‘zero tolerance’ towards child abuse. The next day, the American Week magazine published an article that told the story of ‘Don Mercedes’ — Fr Mauro Inzoli, an Italian priest with a passion for expensive cars and underage boys. In 2012, Pope Benedict stripped Inzoli of his priestly faculties, effectively defrocking him. In 2014, however, they were restored to him — by Pope Francis, who warned him to stay away from minors. Then, finally, the Italian civil authorities caught up with this serial groper of teenagers in the confessional. Last summer Inzoli was sentenced to four years and nine months in jail for paedophile offences. The Vatican, under ‘zero-tolerance’ Francis, refused to supply evidence that prosecutors wanted. Just now, dUSt said: The phatmass homepage is the only place I get MY Catholic news! I've found really good articles there. Thank you for linking all those articles. God bless. Just now, Josh said: Why did you comment on this? Meant to say Why did you *not* comment on this? Edited January 13, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, Josh said: ...........edited for space............. Meant to say Why did you *not* comment on this? Commenting quite generally on OP article only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Which included the part about the Priest who Benedict stripped of all duties because of sexual abuse and Francis reinstated telling him to stay away from teenage boys. I have no patience for this. I loved this Pope but hearing this makes me sick. There is no excuse for this. None. This tempts me to leave the Church. I have zero patience for this kind of trash. Edited January 13, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Did not read far enough, apologies, Josh, to comment on what you have raised. I thought, mistakenly, the article ended at the pictures. It didn't. My Faith and trust, confidence, is in none but The Lord. One of the Psalms in the Divine Office Psalter rans "Put not your trust in Princes". He has told us scandal must come and also He asked if when He returned would He find Faith on earth? I don't think at all we were even hinted at, let alone promised, a rose garden "Take up your cross daily and follow Me." I read an article somewhere or other that if one is not suffering for one's Faith somewhere or other, in a great or or small way, one is probably not a true disciple of Jesus. Or similar words. Very few would be those, if any at all, who are not revolted and horrified at abuse in The Church and by priests who abuse for one - and ordinary everyday Catholics are suffering for the knowledge of it. It might even be extremely difficult to stay Catholic in the face of it all, clinging on for dear life. I do wonder just how far things will go before it becomes an horrific part of our story and not our current story. It is all still unfolding. The horrific nature of it all is not in the least that children have suffered terribly and probably marked by that suffering in a negative way for the rest of their lives. Those, that is, that have not committed suicide. The Lord knows precisely what has happened and is happening and even what will happen - He knows all the intimate why's and wherefores' that we cannot ever know on earth. He knows when a hair falls from our head. Justice is His and Justice He will render His it Way, His Time - and Divine Infallible Justice it will be, no mistakes. Quote Matthew Ch18 [5] And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me. [6] But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. [7] Woe to the world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh. Perhaps Pope Benedict was absolutely spot on and prophetic: "The Church Will be Small" (short article quoting Pope Benedict - from Catholic Education Resource Centre): http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/spiritual-life/the-church-will-become-small.html God bless, Josh, and guide you and sustain. Some of our priests have done absolutely horrific things - I think we have far more good, loyal, dedicated and holy priests doing their duty day in and day out relentlessly with no recognition of any kind whatsoever. And they are happy to serve, Joyful. They need our support and appreciation in any way we might be able. It is their brother priests that have done these terrible things - how they must suffer because of it. "Take up your cross daily and come follow Me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) I'm talking about the fact that Francis reinstated this Priest who molested boys in the Confessional and told them it was not a sin and backed it up using scripture. Sorry no longer a fan of this Pope. Prayers for him. Edited January 13, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 We can either believe in the sacrament of confession or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Just now, CatherineM said: We can either believe in the sacrament of confession or not. So Priest who molest boys and back it up with Scripture should still be allowed to be Priest? This is zero tolerance? Edited January 14, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Can't help but wonder if it is the whole story of the defrocked and then reinstated priest. If it is the whole story, it is shocking and a crime. If it is not, then we do not know the whole story. Priests are under the obedience of their bishop or whomsoever. If a priest abuses, then it is likely he would commit the crime again. They don't seem to be able to control themselves around children. To reinstate such a person into a situation where he can abuse again should be a criminal offence. I think at the moment (unsure) only cover ups are a criminal offence. My attitude towards Pope Francis would not change because he is the Vicar of Christ on earth duly elected by Papal Conclave and a movement of The Holy Spirit. If PF should be guilty of serious wrong, then I affirm to myself that he is human like the rest of us and a sinner, which he is. My loyalty is to Jesus alone in Whom I confidently trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Josh said: So Priest who *Priest's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) On 13/01/2017 at 0:21 PM, Josh said: Fr Mauro Inzoli It is the priest in the quote box above. Sorry, I thought you would understand to whom I was referring. I have never read about the case other than here on Phatmass. I don't know what you mean by " *priest's ", Josh. If/when there are priests who have abused and been defrocked and then reinstated and/or shifted to another area where there are children, I think all three incidents should be pursued by our justice systems as crimes and serious criminal offences incurring jail time. That is what I meant in my post if it was unclear. Be the above as it may, I do not think that our hierarchy understood until more or less recent times that paedophile's cannot/ will not seem to help themselves and are very likely to continue to re-offend. Some priest abusers apparently assured their superior that they were very sorry and it would never occur again - but it did. Nowadays, we certainly realise that paedophile's are dangerous people who either cannot or will not control their sexual impulses where horrific and very serious crimes against children are concerned. I can only hope that our hierarchy do as well and keep it in prayer and my paramount intention is for the child victims of paedophilia who will probably suffer life long, if they do not commit suicide as some have done.. We are all on a journey, an unfolding journey and The Lord and His Divine Providence travels with us. For perhaps most all of us travelling along with trust and confidence in The Lord and His Divine Providence is a tremendous challenge to Faith in the face of these horrific scandals and serious crimes. Other than that, I think, refer to my previous posts in this thread. ________ Luke Chapter 18 7"Woe to the world because of offences! For it must needs be that offences come; yet woe to that man by whom the offence comes!" "And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? " Edited January 15, 2017 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) I was correcting my grammar. Correct this thread is addressing Fr Mauro Inzoli. Benedict removed him in 2012. Mr. Inzoli molested boys in the Confessional then used Scripture to show the victims it wasn't a sin. Pope Francis reinstated him in 2014 with the warning to stay away from teenage boys. Apparently Catherine M thinks that Confession of molesting boys makes it all better and it's back to business as normal. I'm guessing this way of thinking got us where we are at today. Edited January 15, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Was @CatherineM referring to the Pope's handling of this priest or the Pope's handling of communion for the divorced and remarried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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