little2add Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 58 minutes ago, Anomaly said: The Art, Nihil posted, is not implicitly pornographic. It was opined by dUSt to be marginally inappropriate for some potential readers with a jokey label. It was the context of the thread and probable immaturity of a few others. Other than that, it was a beautiful and technically remarkable painted depiction of a young woman. We find what we seek. Sometimes we aren't willing or capable of setting their sights a little higher. implicitly or not to me it is offensive, especially to womankind. call me a prude, call me immature. it is a soulless inanimate object that objectifies all woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 One could call you far worse things than that, but prudence constrains the more parrhesiastic of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said: Ask a question worth my attention. And get lost. Oh dear that troll doll is completely naakeed. And that's not the look of love in his eyes! Hide yo kids, hide yo wife... Totally porno. This is worse than the seductive lustful elf with the bosom problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I think it is an attempt in this thread by some to make fun of what is a serious issue and to criticise, call names and even seemingly intimidate other members. Are we called primarily to charity in all things and love of neighbour or not? Do we owe each other respect and consideration or not? If not, then I guess some of us must be what is termed "cafeteria Catholics. We pick and choose our Catholic beliefs which enters into into our thoughts, words and actions. What does the Phatmass 'title', description whatever, "Church Militant" mean? Some things just do not belong on a Catholic Discussion site where anyone including children can access. Common sense surely tells one that. I never saw the picture in question if it was actually posted or just a link. I accessed the thread only after dUSt had brought down his decision and taken out whatever - and contention really started up. dUSt is the boss of Phatmass in all things Phatmass and if we don't like it nor his decisions, too bad how sad. That is more or less paraphrasing a quote from the New Testament too. A comment and off topic: It gets right up my nose that I am not permitted to post into Vocation Station anything relating to private vows as a call and vocation from God. Yep! it gets right up my nose well and truly indeedy - but it is the rule on Phatmass and therefore a decision made or confirmed by the Adminstrator (aka The Boss), dUSt, for all membership of Phatmass. It is just too bad how sad for my nose problems and I know it , don't like it one little bit in the least- but I do respect it and therefore obey the rule without pedantic looking to the letter, rather the spirit. Another sort of paraphrase from the New Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Barbara, the painting is called Chloe, and the artist is Jules Joseph Lefebvre, a French academic painter who studied under Bouguereau (Catholic, by the way, devout). It is a very famous painting, on permanent display in the Young and Jackson Hotel in Melbourne. I would encourage you to take a look for yourself. It is a tragedy when puritanism prevents people from seeing such masterpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said: Barbara, the painting is called Chloe, and the artist is Jules Joseph Lefebvre, a French academic painter who studied under Bouguereau (Catholic, by the way, devout). It is a very famous painting, on permanent display in the Young and Jackson Hotel in Melbourne. I would encourage you to take a look for yourself. It is a tragedy when puritanism prevents people from seeing such masterpieces. Nihil, I'm trying to be on your side here, but it's not Puritanism that was behind removing it. You have to respect other people's opinions and be sensitive to other people's weaknesses (especially younger persons). It's one thing to view and discuss the Art in a gallery. It's totally something else to come across it on a Catholic website in a thread titled "EVERY NAKED PERSON I SEE TURNS ME ON". Not quite the appropriate circumstances for mature and respectful chasteness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Anomaly said: Nihil, I'm trying to be on your side here, but it's not Puritanism that was behind removing it. You have to respect other people's opinions and be sensitive to other people's weaknesses (especially younger persons). It's one thing to view and discuss the Art in a gallery. It's totally something else to come across it on a Catholic website in a thread titled "EVERY NAKED PERSON I SEE TURNS ME ON". Not quite the appropriate circumstances for mature and respectful chasteness. You will find that you are not describing what I said accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Anomaly in your worldview nothing matters anyways. Especially dumb jokes or naked art. Literally we are all ants and it means nothing if we get stepped on or live to crawl around another day. Why do you care about this topic so much? lol You've made your point. Dust is the boss and what he says goes. Everyone agrees. But if theres no God who cares what kids see or stumble across on a Catholic site? They are just ants as well. Worthless irrelevant black little ants crawling around aimlessly with no purpose or hope of anything after they are stepped on. Who cares if they stumble on a stupid joke or nude art? Edited January 17, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said: You will find that you are not describing what I said accurately. I see. My bad. You meant in general, not specifically to this instance. I apologize. Josh, It matters to me because I think it should matter to people on various philosophical, social, emotional, and intellectual grounds. Not simply because I belive it's a divine entity's command. Similar to how a Catholic can discern and argue that woman don't need to wear burkas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Anomaly said: I see. My bad. You meant in general, not specifically to this instance. I apologize. I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Anomaly said: Josh, It matters to me because I think it should matter to people on various philosophical, social, emotional, and intellectual grounds. If there's no God and everything is all just random chance and we are just one of an infinite amount of universe's who had the right random laws of physics so stars could form and the universe could expand (they wouldn't be able to in he other unoverses) then nothing matters. Absolutely Nothing. Murder,rape,ect. It's all meaningless. There's no wrong or anything trivial for certian audience's. Especially stupid jokes and nude art on a Catholic website. The universe is billions of years old. If there's no God your 80 years here has no meaning whatsoever. Do anything you want and post whatever you want and have no regard for any person you encounter in the slightest. That's only if you're 110 percent sure there's no God. Because if there is then you're going to have hell to pay for infinite if you live life that way. I'm guessing that's why a lot of so called atheist (more like agnostics in reality) try to live decent lives and treat people with love and respect. Because 1.) God wrote it on their heart to live that way. And 2.) If there is a loving God actions matter and we will have to give an account for them when we die. Edited January 17, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Bringing up Anomaly's atheism in every single thread he participates in is getting old, pham. There's a time and place for discussions like that, but so frequently it just comes across as people trying to discount what he's saying because "Oh yeah? Well you don't believe in God, so you can't make truth claims! Ha!" It verges on fallacious and it's waaay off topic most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I hardly ever bring it up. Not in the last year or year and a half. I used to all the time. 11 minutes ago, Josh said: (they wouldn't be able to in he other unoverses) *in the other universes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) And one more thing. If you identify as an outspoken atheist on a Catholic website with 12 and 13 year olds prepare to take some **** for it. You're telling them God doesn't exist. The Bible calls you an Antichrist. It's a very serious state to be in. Just like when a Catholic falls into a real state of mortal sin. Pretending that being in a state of atheism or mortal sin isn't a really big deal is a lie. You're risking your soul staying in that state contiounsly with no Reconciliation.You have no clue 100% that God doesn't exist. Atheist astronomers are on record saying the laws of physics so the universe could expand and form stars are either fine tuned by a Creator or there's almost an infinite amount of universes with different laws of physics. They say these are the two choices. Take your pick.There's a bunch of these circumstances that had to be exactly right for there to be a universe with stars,planets,life and consciousness. They are on record saying they will never have a final theory of everything.They have no clue on consciousness. Quantum Physics could be suggesting something completely different than a pure materialistic reality. And then you have the whole spiritual aspect and people's experiences and miracles. You have nde's with some remarkable claims. So you have no idea if God doesn't exist or not. It's not a clear cut answer. As a genuine believer I don't know 100% God is real. From experience and science I think there's a really good shot. Atheism just makes no sense. It's either a believer or agnostic. Edited January 17, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) That night in Hawaii, Astronmer Faber declared that there were only two possible explanations for fine-tuning. “One is that there is a God and that God made it that way,” she said. But for Faber, an atheist, divine intervention is not the answer. “The only other approach that makes any sense is to argue that there really is an infinite, or a very big, ensemble of universes out there and we are in one,” she said. http://www.discovery.org/a/91 Edited January 17, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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